Posted on 10/07/2005 7:48:04 PM PDT by Heartlander
Is this your impression of how evolution works?
I knew Doug Kern back when we were involved in the American Parliamentary Debate Association. Sorry to see that he has drunk the Kool Aid on this issue.
Thou art an orthodox, my sister.
LOL, well wouldn't that be great!!!??? But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon. For one thing, people have lost all sense that episteme and doxa are opposites. Also they have lost sight of the classical perception that truth (Logos) is not approximate or relative, i.e., some kind of sliding scale of value that allows us to say that something is "more true" or "less true"; but is actually realized in the forms and natures of existent entities, and inheres in them...indeed, the Cosmos itself is the reification of Truth; and man, the microcosmos, fully participates in it at all levels of his being. [BTW, this insight answers Leibnitz's second question.]
And there are many levels -- inorganic, vegetative, animal, psychic (in the sense of both emotional life and intellectual life).
I'm sure an idea like that strikes the modern ear as being very strange. Except possibly the Christian ear, or that of the student of metaphysics....
Thanks so much, Alamo-Girl for your kind words of support -- and for the two outstanding replies you wrote to malakhi!
To which you replied:
The third proposition does not neccesarily or logically follow from the first two... Presumably, you do not deny that it is possible that the actions of an unobservable agent could have empirical consequences in the present, do you?
Cordial sophistry.
Jeepers, js -- you really don't read my posts!!! :^)
The anti-science lobby created the situation by attacking what's left of public education. Did they expect that no would respond?
If the fighting results in the end of the public school system, I'm all for it.
There is no catigorical disqualification of intelligent agencies. There is a disqualification of hypotheses that have no predictive power and which do not suggest research.
If your intelligent agent has attributes that would predict some kind of data that is different from what would be predicted by natural selection, then bring it on.
Darwin anticipated this kind of argument and cited a number of things that would be reasonable for a designer to include in living things, but so far, none of these things has been found.
the problem with ID is not that it is wrong but that it can't be wrong.
Definitions rarely do, nor are they required to do so. The first two sentences define what science is. The third defines, in part, what it is not.
It's marvelous how often we think of the same things at the same time! I just put up a post dealing with the Logos....
Outstanding essay/post, Alamo-Girl. Much food for thought there....
I'm in favor of some kind of middle ground....a school that is truly owned & run "lock,stock, & barrel" by a community and also a requirement that children must attend a certain amount of schooling.
I sometimes have difficulty believing what I read. You have been posting on these threads for years and have no opinion at all on common descent. I thought I was wishy-washy.
I hope you won't be surprised if I oppose citing this in science textbooks as an alternative to evolution.
"My ideas might sound strange, unless you're moral or educated."
Nice.
I agree. And I think the amount of schooling should depend on what they want to do.
In the 19th century kids spent fewer hours and days in school and learned more in 8 years than kids learn now in 13 years. With computer classes, kids could easily outpace the current crop of high school graduates in 4-5 years.
In other words, by age 10 they would have a superior education to what 18 year olds get now. Then they would be free to pursue higher education or specific job training until they were 16 or so and could pursue employment.
I realize I'm dreaming big.
History is the conscious evolution of human society. It has nothing to do with the recording of anything. What is in the recorder's office is not history. What is surmised from the contents of the recorder's office might be.
I would say disturbing rather than strange. What we have here is not a dispute within science, but a manifesto against science.
That is not a testable hypothesis. ;o)
Believe it or not there are public school systems where kids can specialize in job related skills starting in the seventh grade. In this same system my daughter earned two years of college credit while in high school, and she was just typical in her program.
Interesting mental figment..
I wonder if a poll has been done to determine how many "Evos" are also socialists in one form or another.. Linking evolution and socialism might be a good study.. Since all socialist political systems historically seem to enhance evolution and discourage "god" based dogma politically... i.e. russia, china, URP, Canada..
There could be a link between evolution dogma and socialist dogma.. as opposed to science generally.. I wonder if that has been done.. Not that they are the same but that they are related in some ways..
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