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How a bad U.S. visit influenced ‘Osama’s brain’
MSNBC ^ | 11:36 a.m. ET Oct. 7, 2005 | Daniel Strieff

Posted on 10/07/2005 3:15:11 PM PDT by echoBoomer

Four years after President Bush launched a war to oust Osama bin Laden from his hideout in Afghanistan, many are mystified how a polite son of a millionaire construction magnate in Saudi Arabia could turn into the world’s most wanted terrorist.

According to many experts, a clue may lie in the life and works of Sayyid Qutb, an Islamic ideologue who was radicalized after an overwhelmingly negative experience in the United States and later imprisoned and executed by Gamal Abdel Nasser’s regime in Egypt in 1966...Qutb’s journey to radicalism started in 1948 when the Egyptian government sent the young school inspector to study in the United States.

The time proved to be formative for Qutb, who had closely followed American popular culture and at the time viewed the United States as a somewhat positive influence, especially when contrasted with the European colonialism he had witnessed growing up in the Middle East.

But things started to sour even before he reached U.S. shores — Qutb was repulsed by an American woman’s drunken attempts to seduce him during his sea voyage and, once on U.S. soil, he was shocked at the racism he encountered in the still-segregated country.

Qutb found himself more and more outraged by what he saw as American greed

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; binladin; islam; jihad; jihadpropaganda; lamestreammedia; liberalmedia; liberalmida; mediapropaganda; muslim; obl; osama; qutb; rop; sayidqutb; sayyidqutb; swine; terrorism; terrorists; ubl; usama
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To: JohnathanRGalt; backhoe; All

ON THE NET...

http://www.truthusa.com/911news.html
http://www.truthusa.com/911.html

http://www.internet-haganah.us/jihadi/
http://www.jihadwatch.org
http://www.memri.org/jihad.html
http://www.memritv.org


21 posted on 10/07/2005 3:37:36 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I believe in freedom to worship, but not freedom to use worship places to promote murder, hatred and another culture extremely opposite of America. Therefore, we ought to close ALL Mosques, deport ANY non-US Citizens and build fences at the borders and background check ALL border patrol agents and US Customs personnel! Some border guard here in Arizona was arrested for taking $50,000 bribe to let an RV full of illegals and drugs over the border. Fences are worthless if the gate is the henhouse is guarded by the FOX!


22 posted on 10/07/2005 3:38:20 PM PDT by princess leah (\)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
I will never modify my opinion. Our venerated congress failed us as Americans. Every last one of the worthless POS's punted to the executive branch. Throw ALL the rascals out.

Obviously your disdain for society is "sugar coated" in your statement.

Look at the bright side, your opinion can still be conveyed personally.

23 posted on 10/07/2005 3:38:27 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: echoBoomer

Qutb was repulsed by an American woman’s drunken attempts to seduce him ........."FAG"


24 posted on 10/07/2005 3:39:06 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: echoBoomer
Its a pity the writer did not expand on this:

Qutb came from a tradition of Muslim thinkers who struggled to make sense of the impact of Western civilization on the Islamic world.

Sayid Qutb, and influential Islamic writers of this time such as Abdullah Azzam emerge from a long line of writers who wanted to take Mulsims back to "true Islam."

For eg, the whole salafi movement preceeds them and they based many of their rants not just on the Koran and hadeeth itself, but on the ideological spewage of notable swine as Ibn Taymiyya (1268-1328) and his warnings against "bidah"...

25 posted on 10/07/2005 3:39:55 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: echoBoomer
"It is because of its comprehensive nature that modern Islamic radicalism, using Qutb as a philosophical foundation, must be understood as more than an ideology of hate.... Qutb lays out a road to victory for Islam. This is not just a message of hate for many Muslims. For them, it is a message of hope."

It is a message of self-hatred.

He came from an oppressed society where temptation was forbidden and radically excised in even its merest facets. He came to a land of freedom where temptation abounded, and he loathed himself for secretly wanting and desiring all that he saw. That self-hatred burned in him until it manifested in projections upon the Western world.

He hated freedom because of what it did to him, because he was no longer controlled by his society; instead, he had to control himself -- to set his own boundaries, to make himself refrain from temptation, to make up his own mind about right and wrong.

That is why the hijackers were boozing and whoring it up on September 10th... they could give in to temptation and let themselves wallow in all of that forbidden sin, because on September 11th they were going to bloody the Great Satan.
26 posted on 10/07/2005 3:39:58 PM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: echoBoomer

There is much hypocrisy in the muslim world, just as everywhere. I watched the turn of middle class Iranians after the abdication of the Shah. The "across-the border" behavior of young Saudi Sunnis in the modernized gulf states is inconsistent with their home mores.

Shiites in Bahrain are allowd to celebrate their penitent and bloody Ashuram parades which were forbidden in Saudi. The differences between various Muslim branches is quite extreme.

Can someone more familiar with Islam speak to this?


27 posted on 10/07/2005 3:41:54 PM PDT by BuglerTex
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To: FairOpinion
That's it, it's the fault of jazz.

$30,000,000 and a directive from Washington and we can rid ourselves of this fault. ; )

28 posted on 10/07/2005 3:43:09 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Obviously your disdain for society is "sugar coated" in your statement.

I have no disdain for our great American society. I do have contempt for career politicians that allowed the failures leading up to and including Sept. 11th. And then claimed they were not authorized to declare war. Followed the whole charade up with the "report".

29 posted on 10/07/2005 3:45:41 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: echoBoomer
Please do not change the title from that found at the source or post in unrelated topics.

We don't say please the second time.

30 posted on 10/07/2005 3:46:04 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: echoBoomer

There are Amish in this country that don't like what's going on but they don't blow up buildings and cut off heads.


31 posted on 10/07/2005 3:47:19 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: echoBoomer; All

As usual .. the real answer is IT'S ALL AMERICA'S FAULT. If we were so un-perfect .. then he wouldn't have ended up hating us.

I'm sick of this whining about why people hate America. Everything in life is a choice - he chose to hate us - not because of what we were, but because he grew up in a backward culture and he had no coping skills or ability to try to change things.


32 posted on 10/07/2005 3:52:28 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: river rat
”Does anyone really care WHY these Islamist lunatics hate us?

I don't.
They declared war....now let them really experience WAR.


Yes, we should. If their intentions where understood by more people in the US even people in the DU would give support for this war. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

As it is now MSN has been fighting hard to propagandize the ugly truth.

33 posted on 10/07/2005 3:53:39 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: echoBoomer

Osama doesn't need a reason to hate the US, he's a slime beyatch.


34 posted on 10/07/2005 3:57:28 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: echoBoomer

Excuses, excuses!

If you don't like the system, you try to change it.

You don't try to kill it!


35 posted on 10/07/2005 3:59:21 PM PDT by airborne (My hero - my nephew! Sean is home! Thank you God!)
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To: echoBoomer
Qutb found himself more and more outraged by what he saw as American greed.

Another socialist greedy for power.

36 posted on 10/07/2005 4:05:52 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: echoBoomer

OK lefties listen up. We have now heard the feeeeeelings of the terrorist scum, and now understand how they feeeeeeel. The terrorist scum hates American popular culture, so shouldn't it be right to just get rid of it, so we don't make them feeeeeeel bad? After all, it is our fault we got attacked many times right?


37 posted on 10/07/2005 4:16:11 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: echoBoomer; aculeus; general_re; hellinahandcart; Thinkin' Gal; Tijeras_Slim; Petronski; ...
... repulsed by an American woman’s drunken attempts to seduce him ...

Producing the inevitable rage, humiliation, et cetera, and inspiring his invention of explosive chastity belts for men.

38 posted on 10/07/2005 4:18:26 PM PDT by dighton
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To: echoBoomer
"As for American men, he described them as brutish and sports-obsessed, decrying their "primitiveness" when they watched football games, boxing or "bloody, monstrous wrestling matches.""

Ah, those American brutes! They should indulge in less violent sports...like DECAPITATION perhaps!

This article is comical! Where's Saturday Night Live?!
39 posted on 10/07/2005 4:27:16 PM PDT by ryan71 (Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK)
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To: BuglerTex
Shiites in Bahrain are allowd to celebrate their penitent and bloody Ashuram parades which were forbidden in Saudi. The differences between various Muslim branches is quite extreme.

Can someone more familiar with Islam speak to this?

Hopefully, prayerfully, in a generation, there will be no one to answer such questions except the chirping crickets, and the wind, blowing the drifting sand through the rubble and stumps of buildings in what used to be Teheran, etc.

The terms "Shiites" and "Sunnis" might be vaguely remembered as we now may strain to remember Betty Boop and Raggedy Ann.

40 posted on 10/07/2005 4:27:39 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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