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Walker Discovers 5,000-Year-Old Log Path On Moor
Yorkshire Post ^ | 10-6-2005 | Emma Dunlop

Posted on 10/07/2005 2:46:04 PM PDT by blam

Walker discovers 5,000-year-old log path on moor

Find to shed new light on Neolithic man

Emma Dunlop

FOR 5,000 years one of the world's oldest ever footpaths has remained a hidden secret, locked deep beneath the earth in South Yorkshire.

That was until walker Mick Oliver quite literally stumbled across it while one day traipsing across Hatfield Moor, near Doncaster, shortly after it was re-opened to walkers in October last year.

"I looked down and I could see a straight line. I thought, that's unusual, maybe it's a bog oak – a fossilised tree – so I'll go and have a look," said the retired town and country planning officer.

"But when I got there I could see seven parallel poles of pine lined up on the floor. This was most unusual. I knew what I was looking at was old.

"I could see axe marks on the wood and evidence that they had been tapered. Given their position in the peat, I pretty soon concluded they were old, possibly even Bronze Age.

"I looked to see how deep they were buried and worked out they may be some 2,500 years old. I never realised just how old they were until later."

But still not convinced about what he was seeing, Mr Oliver, 65, of Wadworth, Doncaster, sat down beside the logs and began eating his packed lunch.

He said: "I kept thinking, what if I am wrong? I am going to look very foolish here.

"But after my sandwiches I thought, stuff it. This discovery is too important, so I went to Doncaster Museum to report my find."

Without realising it, he had discovered one of the oldest tracks of its kind ever seen in the world. It dates back to the Neolithic period and only two other pathways on the continent are thought to date back earlier – one in Holland and the other in Germany.

And now its very discovery could shed new light on the history of Neolithic man as the pathway yields more and more clues day by day to the dozens of archaeologists now poring over its every detail.

"I just can't believe I was the one to discover it," said Mr Oliver, who works closely with conservationists on the moors.

"It is such a fantastic find and one I shall never forget."

Archaeologists think it may have been built in a forlorn attempt to stave off the effects of climate change 5,000 years ago.

Analysis of the soil and pollen samples suggest the roadway was constructed because the ground was becoming increasingly waterlogged.

This could have been due to the onset of warmer and wetter weather, as until then the landscape had been characterised by woodland and heath, but raising water levels killed the trees and the mire began to form. But once it was enveloped by the bog, there is no evidence showing repairs or modifications, suggesting it was simply abandoned.

Radiocarbon dating suggests it was probably built before Stonehenge, at some point between 2,900 and 2,500BC, and the search has begun to find where the trackway leads. The pine track stretches over 50m (164ft) of so-called "corduroy track", where logs are laid together to form a roadway. At its widest, it is 4m (13ft) across. But even more significantly is the discovery of a platform at the end of the track.

Archaeologist Dr Henry Chapman, site manager, said: "This is utterly amazing and the only one of its kind in the world.

"A find like this could rewrite the history of Neolithic man as we know it. This platform could have been used for a number of reasons. We believe it is too big for a vantage point for hunting, but it could be religiously significant – as a place for offerings to the gods. Or, even more symbolically, it could have been a place where the dead were laid out."

Once the excavation is complete, the trackway will be backfilled with earth again, as this is the best way to preserve the timbers.

06 October 2005


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 5000; discovers; doncaster; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hatfieldmoor; henrychapman; log; mickoliver; moor; old; path; southyorkshire; unitedkingdom; wadworth; walker; year; yorkshire
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To: blam

This site shows mammoths with evidence of human tool marks dating back over 12000 years. This is before the Siberian Land Bridge. The question is were there humans in Southern Wisconsin 12000 years ago.

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/kids/mammoth/news.htm


21 posted on 10/07/2005 5:10:22 PM PDT by joem15
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To: blam

"but it could be religiously significant – as a place for offerings to the gods. Or, even more symbolically, it could have been a place where the dead were laid out."

Ever read motel of the mysteries? I wonder if these people have any idea what they are talking about.

"Each part of the "Toot'NC'mon" Motel is catalogued and fitted carefully into Carter's map of the site as a tomb and funeral repository. Even the Hot and Cold water initials on the "water trumpets" are taken by Carter as meaningful, namely, as his initials. The shrine, "carved out of a single piece of porcelain" is used to pray to their gods in song. The famous (because it appears on a paper ribbon sealing the shrine) chant is worked out phonetically by Carter to be "Sanitized Before Using" .

The altar is a TV set on a dresser - the drawers are for depositing offerings for the gods, Carter postulates. "


22 posted on 10/07/2005 5:15:20 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: joem15
"The question is were there humans in Southern Wisconsin 12000 years ago."

The answer is yes.

They were there in that region 25,000 years ago. The Journey Of Mankind by professor Stephen Oppenheimer is based on his worldwide DNA studies. Take the journey (click on the link) and you will see that a group of humans became isolated in/around the Meadowcroft area. These people are the source of the X-gene (some say European) in America and is still seen in the DNA of the obijawa(sp) Indians in that region.

23 posted on 10/07/2005 5:25:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: I still care
"The altar is a TV set on a dresser - the drawers are for depositing offerings for the gods, Carter postulates."

Don't know. I don't normally read fiction.

24 posted on 10/07/2005 5:28:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

It's a picture book written by the guy who wrote "cathedral" and "castle". It has an archeologist "discovering" a motel room many years in the future, and deciding it is a religious sanctuary. He goes through each piece of motel furniture explaining its religious significance.

I always think of it whenever I read articles like this. The writer got awful fast from a wood path to a "place to lay the dead".


25 posted on 10/07/2005 5:38:54 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: I still care
"The writer got awful fast from a wood path to a "place to lay the dead".

I agree...they are quick to place a spiritual context in these discoveries.

26 posted on 10/07/2005 5:59:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: joem15
They found a well-preserved man from Iron Age times in a bog. here

Bogs preserve organic matter well, it seems

27 posted on 10/07/2005 7:33:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: blam
Archaeologists think it may have been built in a forlorn attempt to stave off the effects of climate change 5,000 years ago.

WAG clean-up in aisle three WAG clean-up in aisle three!
28 posted on 10/07/2005 7:38:21 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: joem15

"That's pretty good pine to last 5000 years in a Bog."

The bog preserves them.


29 posted on 10/07/2005 7:48:57 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: blam
I bought a [new] carving made from 3000 year old wood.

One place where I grew up, you could see the remains of a corduroy road.

30 posted on 10/07/2005 7:51:09 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam.

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31 posted on 10/07/2005 10:17:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: bobbdobbs
I guess people just hopped on their little rafts and hoped they'd land somewhere.

They were given maps.

32 posted on 10/07/2005 10:30:13 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Glockwondo)
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To: blam
This could have been due to the onset of warmer and wetter weather, as until then the landscape had been characterised by woodland and heath, but raising water levels killed the trees and the mire began to form.

So George Bush was causing global warming back then too? So he can time travel...

33 posted on 10/08/2005 5:22:56 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: I still care
Is that the one where the female model has the toilet seat around her head?
34 posted on 10/08/2005 5:33:43 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: blam

Neat !!!


35 posted on 10/08/2005 6:02:25 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Jihadist, they want to die for Islam, we need to help them achieve that goal.)
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To: blam

"This platform could have been used for a number of reasons. We believe it is too big for a vantage point for hunting, but it could be religiously significant – as a place for offerings to the gods. Or, even more symbolically, it could have been a place where the dead were laid out."

It could have even been the scaffolding for a great ancient fortress of enormous size, which burnt down, fell over and sank into the swamp!!!

But maybe it was just a footpath.


36 posted on 10/08/2005 6:40:25 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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