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1 posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:54 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 10/07/2005 7:31:24 AM PDT by SJackson (Palestinian police…in Gaza City…firing in the air to protest a lack of bullets)
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Great Stuff. Even though Bush is sincere in his desire to fight terrorism and spread democracy.....he just has too much Saudi baggage. Hopefully the Senate will force some action. Enough is enough. The main chatter out there is that if the Saudi royals get toppled, you'll have Al Qaeda ruling Saudi Arabia....there is a good amount of truth to that, but do we act as if there is no elephant in the middle of the living room?


3 posted on 10/07/2005 7:37:02 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Allah is a Moon god)
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I couldn't agree more. The true root of the problem is Saudi Arabia and the House of Saud.

What do we do about it? My personal view is that we have to take care of other business first, and deal with the Saudis last. Afghanistan and Iraq were prudent first steps. Next in line are Syria and Iran. Then we need to deal with the Saudis.

I have said from the beginning that this will require breaking the country in two: A larger country containing the oil and a small country containing the Holy Places, Mecca and Medina. It's just asking for trouble when you have the same folks in charge of the pilgrimages who are also sitting on top of trillions of dollars worth of oil money.

The papacy was reduced to the Vatican, so the Pope no longer was a secular prince. The leaders of Islam need to be Vaticanized in a similar way. I say that as a Catholic. Taking the Pope out of direct participation in war and politics was good for the Church as well as Italy.


4 posted on 10/07/2005 7:37:49 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Wow. Excellent article. Excellent. Very eye-opening.


5 posted on 10/07/2005 7:44:34 AM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: SJackson
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6 posted on 10/07/2005 7:50:51 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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Major fradi arabian allahu fubar ping! Author tells it like it T-I-S!


7 posted on 10/07/2005 7:52:48 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, no more money for Hamastine!)
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To: SJackson

bump


8 posted on 10/07/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: SJackson

Fascinating article.

This guy is obviously well connected, but it does seem to me the House of Saud is running scared. When 9/11 occured I remember it being reported that the crown princes having 737's lined up for as far as the eye could see to get off the pennisula and head to Europe (primarily Switzerland). They were afraid with us being paralyzed that the Wahhabists were getting ready to make a play for control of the Kingdom.

Also, didn't a bunch of accountants and financial advisors to the Royals get blown up in a suicide car
bombing in which the car crashed through a security gate in the compound exploding in this Royal white collar compound. I can't recall all the details (you need a scorecard to keep up with all these attacks) but it did happen during a period of time in which westerners working there were being attacked frequently.

I think he's right on everything, I just believe the House of Saud is really running scared as the Wahhabists are tiring of the fat, westernized (in their mind) crown princes and they want the whole enchilada as they continue to build strength in the pennisula. I think the HOuse of Saud sees us as being their ultimate final line of defence as they know we won't tolerate the country falling to the hard line Wahhabist clerics.

But ultimately, we do fold like a cheap lawn chair when the Royals take a hard position


9 posted on 10/07/2005 8:33:34 AM PDT by bereanway
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10 posted on 10/07/2005 8:43:04 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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The Saudis are the viper in the nest.

Princes of Darkness: The Saudi Assault on the West Princes of Darkness:
The Saudi Assault
on the West

by Laurent Murawiec


11 posted on 10/07/2005 8:49:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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This analysis is unacceptable to the Washington, DC powerstructure.

We could do what we've been doing; wristslapping with wet noodles.


13 posted on 10/07/2005 9:18:25 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SJackson

ping for later read.


18 posted on 10/07/2005 1:05:34 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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"Fools have been babbling about the Third World debt crisis for one generation, blaming the IMF, the World Bank, the greedy banks, etc. But, for Heaven's sake, the fundamental cause of the debt crisis was the quadrupling of oil prices in '73, and the next round in '79..."

How true. Saudi Arabia is a black hole of hard earned Western Capital, which is doled out in a 'tribe and bribe' economy that corrupts the West while it bankrupts the Third World. I hope that more and more liberals like Christopher Hitchens come to realize this.


24 posted on 10/08/2005 9:43:40 AM PDT by bukkdems ("My aunt was very frugal" - Benon Savon)
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