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Dutch FM questions Iraq invasion
Herald Sun ^ | 6 October 2005

Posted on 10/05/2005 5:17:39 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

DUTCH Foreign Minister Bernard Bot today questioned for the first time whether US-led troops should have invaded Iraq and said diplomacy might have achieved more.

The Netherlands backed the US-led invasion of Iraq, but today Mr Bot was asked in parliament if the invasion was sensible. "That is a question you can legitimately ask, looking back, and it's possible that the answer will be that it wasn't sensible and that using diplomatic means we could have achieved more," Mr Bot said.

Mr Bot later extended his remarks, telling Dutch television network NOS that he had been referring to the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and a list of questions posed to Iraq.

"If we had had answers to the questions that were on the table, if Saddam Hussein had answered the 200 questions, answered them honestly, then we would have a better insight into the situation and might have had to take another decision," Mr Bot said.

The United States largely justified the invasion by charging that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and was actively pursuing nuclear arms.

No such weapons have been found in Iraq, and US arms investigators have concluded that Baghdad abandoned its nuclear-development program soon after the 1991 Gulf War.

The Netherlands did not contribute troops to the invasion but sent soldiers in August 2003 to help stabilise the Muthanna province in the relatively peaceful south of Iraq.

The Dutch contingent of 1350 soldiers was withdrawn this year.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dutch; dutchtroops; holland; iraq; iraqinvasion; neterlands; oif; us
IF. IF. IF. If the Dutch Government stopped killing its sick, old and frail they would be far better off than spouting this sort of crap!
1 posted on 10/05/2005 5:17:39 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

I guess 12 years of talking and billions into Saddam and his "special friends" pockets wasn't quite enough.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 5:21:11 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Aussie Dasher

Wow

2 if's and a then.

If the moon was made of cheese think how much whine you could have!!


3 posted on 10/05/2005 5:22:43 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

re: that using diplomatic means we could have achieved more

Does he mean to say that if we had gone the diplomatic route that Saddam would be in prison facing a trial for his life, a free election would have been held and the people would be voting in less than two weeks to ratify a constitution? That's what has happened under the course of action we took, how much more could they hope to have accomplished by going the diplomatic route?


4 posted on 10/05/2005 5:23:13 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: Aussie Dasher

Diplomacy. Worked with Hitler and Stalin, no reason to expect it not to work with Saddam....LOL. Couldn't even keep a straight face through this post.


5 posted on 10/05/2005 5:23:48 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The Dutch will stick to date-raping tourists, it's not as dangerous as fighting terrorists (so they think).


6 posted on 10/05/2005 5:23:57 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: Aussie Dasher
using diplomatic means we could have achieved more," Mr Bot said.

I, too, am certain that a more sternly worded communique from Mr. Powell, Mr. Bot and M. de Villepin would have done the trick and convinced President Hussein to order himself arrested and put on trial. Another missed opportunity because of that mad cowboy Bush, tant pis.

7 posted on 10/05/2005 5:24:37 PM PDT by Argus
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Well they do ask some questions that a lot of people wonder about- the fact that there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the government said there were. From what I've seen, a lot of people are concerned about that being a motive.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 5:27:59 PM PDT by tlbv1984
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To: Aussie Dasher
To the Dutch FM.

Sir you are an irrelevant twit. Sit down and shut up. When you actually PARTICIAPTE in defending the West from the Barbarians you may have input, until such time you are IRRELEVENT and obnoxious. You are an idiot, studying to be a moron. And failing.......badly.

9 posted on 10/05/2005 5:31:12 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: tlbv1984

Not a good post on your first day.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 5:32:41 PM PDT by kddid (Hope springs eternal.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

We tried diplomacy for 12 years , It didnt work.

If the Europeans had gone along with the program this world would be a safer place right now. The war would be over.


11 posted on 10/05/2005 5:35:25 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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Dutch FM questions Iraq invasion

I suggest the Dutch stick to worrying about things like...dikes and fingers.

Let the adults worry about the rest of the world, ok?

LVM

12 posted on 10/05/2005 5:37:32 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: tlbv1984; MikeinIraq; Behind Liberal Lines

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


13 posted on 10/05/2005 5:44:31 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Aussie Dasher

The Dutch have sunk to new depths lately...


14 posted on 10/05/2005 5:50:43 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: tlbv1984
the fact that there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the government said there were

Nice try.

Get smart or go back to DU land.

LVM

15 posted on 10/05/2005 5:52:25 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: tlbv1984
Good point- I also thought there were WMDs. One guy I work with is so opposed to the war that he was pounding on the break table when we were "discussing" the issue! Yet, when pressed, he also admits to believing that WMDs were involved.

We both thought they were there. Not because President Bush said so, but because the arms inspectors were never allowed to do their job from the git-go.

Promise after promise to rectify the situation was broken by the Iraqi government. The inspectors themselves were increasingly frustrated with the situation. A reasonable man would come to only one conclusion.

The responsibility to show there were or weren't WMDs was clearly that of the Iraqi government. Yet they did everything they could to make it look like they were hiding them. I don't know what they were trying to prove, but I don't think it turned out the way they planned!

If you want to blame one man for the Iraqi war, blame Saddam Hussein.
16 posted on 10/05/2005 5:59:42 PM PDT by MRadtke (NOT the baseball player)
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"...the fact that there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the government said there were."

Read the Kay(sic?) report and the 911 report. A lot of people wonder because they are too lazy to learn for themselves and blindly accept what the politically motivated media tells them.


17 posted on 10/05/2005 8:16:35 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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IF the Dutch would stop smoking so much dope they could think straight.

Sure, diplomacy with a mass murdering dictator. Brilliant.
I'm sure if the Dutch PM suddenly siezed total control, shot all his opposition, and murdered everyone he didn't like, started putting together the components to make nuclear bombs to use on the nieghbors he didn't like, he'd want somebody to just "negotiate" with him and allow him to continue killing people his didn't like. Not to mention invite some nasty people into the country who like killing people as well for tea.

What is wrong with people? Maybe we should have negotiated with Hitler as well instead of saving their butts. "Ok Adolph, we will think over these proposals of yours, and set up another meeting in a months time. In the mean time, promise you won't kill too many Dutchmen, and rape too many of their women MMOKAY?"


18 posted on 10/05/2005 9:10:32 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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"Well they do ask some questions that a lot of people wonder about- the fact that there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the government said there were. From what I've seen, a lot of people are concerned about that being a motive."

Saddam had plenty of WMD and as a result of too much diplomacy, he also had plenty of time to get rid of them, bury them who knows where, and send them to syria and wherever else.

We KNOW Saddam had Chemical weapons, because he used them on his own people time and time again. There are over 435 massgraves, entire villages have "dissapeared".

Even the WMD that the UN had tagged and counted, had secured and locked away in sealed buildings have dissapeared. Where did they go?

It's not a question of if he had these things, he did. Where are they? we don't know now. Why are they gone? Because we gave Saddam months and months to get rid of them. If you have the entire would body after you to open up for inspections, and to destroy his stocks, would you just say "No" and do nothing, sit on them? Or would you hide them? After he hids them, he allowed "limited" inspections. Then if the Un people got close to something, they would stop them from inspecting. then everything would go back to the UN, Saddam would kick out the weapons inspectors, then he's move them, let them back in to inspect an empty building, leave a few empty shells about. This happened continuously.

19 posted on 10/05/2005 9:24:18 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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