Posted on 10/05/2005 10:19:30 AM PDT by silentknight
Doctors "the patients fall ill and die within 2-3 days"
10 dead - 40+ hospitilized 80+ sick.
Unknown illness in Toronto.
Scary stuff.
But wouldn't you also expect to find a lot of dead birds in the area?
This statement really assures me. NOT.
My take on GWB's statements about quarantining parts of the US tells me that he is trying to tell us something, and that they know much more than they are admitting.
From post 17:
----I remember listening to Art Bell a few weeks ago, and he had someone on the phone talking about dead birds in Toronto, and didn't know what was causing it. Could it be the Bird Flu??----
However, if that really is the case then it's good news (sort of). Much better that it still has to go from birds to humans (not as many tears except for the farmers when you toss a few million chickens into a pit).
When we stop seeing dead birds and only dead humans (as in person to person transmission) is when we need to worry. Conservative estimates say 5 to 10 million dead. Others estimate 50 to 100 million dead (worldwide).
Exactly. By now they know something.
Quick check on some figures. In 1918 world pop. was ~ 2 billion, with est. 20 - 50 million flu deaths at a 10% mortality rate. Avian flu now is 50% mortality rate. Assume it drops (to 20%?) after it mutates for human to human transmission.
World pop. now is ~6 billion (3x the 1918 pop.) So 20 - 50 x 3 is 60 - 150 and then x2 (twice as lethal?) is 120 to 300 million deaths.
Medical care is better now so that would decrease the rate perhaps. BUT, worldwide travel is much quicker now (hours rather than a week) so spread would be much quicker.
Please ping me if you post something else along these lines. I am outside of Seattle and had a run of chicken sudden deaths (from illness) a few weeks back (now apparently over with). None of us are sick. I don't mean to be frightening anyone. I just found it odd because in all the years we have had chickens we have never seen anything like it. And they were not old hens either.
You know this is all just too much coincidence for me. In the same time period we have a high-mortality new dog flu, the avian flu, and a wierd mystery illness with a bunch of dead birds found a few weeks earlier only 11 miles away.
Also if you check the news for Canada, there are a bunch of new restrictions now on flights between there and the US.
For some other reason, of course.
In fact the dog flu thing and the dead birds, too, all coronavirus.
Too much coincidence to be random. It's got to be terrorists.
And yes I do need a tinfoil hat to wear, I suppose. But it's just too much coincidence to be believeable.
Ping for your thoughts..
Hello, MarMema! Sorry about your chickens.
Have you been following the Avian Flu Surveillance thread? Or its sister thread, Avian Flu Preparedness thread? It seems I've seen your name over there occasionally.
I've been reading them for quite some time and it's really mind boggling about this flu. I'm totally amazed that the president mentioned it - I only gleaned a little of his comments on FR.
The other half of little jeremiah saw a TV today (we don't have one) and some news show (couldn't remember what station/company) was saying stuff about Avian flu that I've been reading on FR for months, quite detailed.
Time to stock up on masks and immune strenghtening herbs.
Echinacea (over the counter herb) is something I have been taking for a couple of months since I have sinus problem and my father had it as well. I am doing much better these days since taking that.
But anti-biotics are bad -- they knock down the immune system and makes one come down with bugs more often if you rely on them.
Only use anti-biotics if it is absolutely necessary!
Chicken soup is good because if you use the skin of the chicken in a soup, then you get components of that immune system. (The skin of the chicken is where the immune system is -- removing it makes it much less effective -- in my opinion).
SARs is coronavirus.
Is this Bird and Dog Flu the Coronavirus? Why did all the reporting stop on it? Did they rename it to stop a panic?
It would, if we allow international air travel.
This is no joke--the asians deal in live bird sales in largely unregulated live-bird markets in several U.S. and Canadian cities. The Scientific community with expertise in Avian Flu have pounded the drum for the USDA to shut down these breeding grounds for Avian Flu mutants. These markets present a huge public health risk but scientist recommendations are ignored, just like with the AIDS epidemic, for political reasons.
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