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Is Microsoft Running Scared of OpenDocument?
PDF Zone ^ | 10-3-2005 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 10/05/2005 7:42:38 AM PDT by N3WBI3

Opinion: It's not coincidence that after Massachusetts made it clear that it would support open formats, Microsoft is now going to include PDF in the next version of Office.

What is Microsoft up to, anyway, with its sudden plan to finally support PDF?

It wasn't announced by Bill Gates loudly to the world at the Professional Developer Conference a few weeks ago. It also wasn't proclaimed to the Microsoft faithful at its recent Most Valuable Professional Global Summit.

No, instead, Microsoft quietly squeaked out the news on a Saturday afternoon in Microsoft Office Program Manager Brian Jones' Weblog.

Could it be that it's because Microsoft is backing its way into ever so reluctantly supporting an open format after Massachusetts decided that it would only use office suites that supported open formats like PDF and OpenDocument?

It certainly looks that way to me.

For all of its talk about being an innovator, Microsoft is really just a follower.

PointerClick here to read more about Microsoft's decision to build PDF support into Office 12.

Sometimes, of course, the company is a very, very reluctant follower. It took Microsoft's leadership forever to live down the fact that they had initially dismissed the Internet. Now, I see Microsoft slowly and painfully embracing open standards.

Mind you, this move is just a beginning. I recently pointed out that it would be trivial for Microsoft to add OpenDocument support to Office.

I don't see that happening anytime soon now though.

With PDF support alone, Microsoft can still try for Massachusetts government contracts without having to add OpenDocument.

Well, until StarOffice, OpenOffice.org and WordPerfect's support for OpenDocument force Microsoft's hand anyway.

After all, PDF is much more of an end-result format than one that most people actually want to edit in. As OpenDocument and the applications that enable it gain more support, Microsoft will find itself forced into supporting it too.

Now, some might say that this is just Microsoft giving the people what they want. Many users have been asking for a PDF option from Microsoft since Adobe Acrobat 4 appeared in 1999.

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But, if that's all there was to it, then why was Microsoft banging the drum for its own PDF substitute, Metro, only a few months ago?

Still others might say that is part and parcel of Microsoft's recent efforts to compete against Adobe in other ways: Sparkle vs. Flash, Acrylic vs. Photoshop and so on.

To which, I say, "Why now? Why announce it in such a subdued way?"

No, all those other things play a role, but at the end of the day, Microsoft felt that it must make at least a concession to open standards by adopting PDF.

After all, it's not like Massachusetts is the only entity that is seriously considering making supporting open standards a requirement for its software purchases. Massachusetts was just the first to make it official.

Microsoft would love it if it could make everyone stick to its proprietary formats. That forces customers to keep buying its products. But it can't. And, much as Microsoft may hate it, its executives know it. So it is that as quietly as the company could, Microsoft is, once more, making concessions to open standards.

eWEEK.com Senior Editor Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols has been using and writing about operating systems since the late '80s and thinks he may just have learned something about them along the way. He can be reached at sjvn@ziffdavis.com.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: microsoft; odf; pdf
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To: for-q-clinton
Why such an old laptop? Why doesn't your business (or employer) buy you a new one?

They buy new ones in cycles, and I got it not long after it was released a few years ago. I'm due for a newer one in the next year or so. Crunching web logs and compiling apps takes quite a while on it, but otherwise it's fine.

301 posted on 10/07/2005 1:21:10 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
HTF do you know what the software development costs are for ODF?

Well, after all, a bunch of long-haired pot-smoking moron communists implemented it in OpenOffice, so how hard could it be?




</Sarcasm>

302 posted on 10/07/2005 2:02:18 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Considering your anti-MS axe-to-grind, I won't trust any numbers coming from you unless they've been verified by an independent source. And for an independent view, let's take a look at the link that I cited above. What a surprise. Not.
303 posted on 10/07/2005 4:31:54 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: antiRepublicrat; for-q-clinton
They buy new ones in cycles, and I got it not long after it was released a few years ago. I'm due for a newer one in the next year or so. Crunching web logs and compiling apps takes quite a while on it, but otherwise it's fine.

If you read between the times, management is saying that they don't value your time...
304 posted on 10/07/2005 4:33:08 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Petronski
Well, after all, a bunch of long-haired pot-smoking moron communists implemented it in OpenOffice, so how hard could it be?

So how long, exactly, did it take these "long-haired pot-smoking moron communists" to implement ODF support in OpenOffice?
305 posted on 10/07/2005 4:34:31 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
If you read between the times, management is saying that they don't value your time.

If you read between the "times," management doesn't waste money. The laptop is fast enough for my normal work, and the big dual screens let me work fast.

306 posted on 10/08/2005 6:52:43 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
Considering your anti-MS axe-to-grind, I won't trust any numbers coming from you unless they've been verified by an independent source.

Faced with the facts, you go into denial. It's easy to verify -- download OO and see for yourself. But I'm sure you'll come up with a reason for not doing so, therefore allowing yourself to remain in denial, wishing your usual lies were true.

307 posted on 10/08/2005 6:54:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton
Why on earth would you "need" the actual passphrase if you have one that is just as good.

You're the one who implied it's possible to get the original from a hash, not me.

308 posted on 10/08/2005 6:58:27 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton
Uh maybe they did it because in order to have people use the standard they have to know the standard, duh.

They did it because crytographic algorithms are best when widely peer-reviewed. They did it because nobody would trust the algorithm if they couldn't study it for themselves. In cryptography we're talking science, and the scientific peer-review process is needed to vet algorithms.

309 posted on 10/08/2005 7:00:08 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton; ShadowAce
Maybe you weren't on the discussion early on (maybe it was on another thread), but yes they were claiming obscurity has no role whatsoever. In fact, antirepublicrat even stated obscurity is a waste and no money should be spent on it (or something like that).

Trying to twist my words? I said the truth that "security through obscurity is no security." That is, you have no security if you rely on obscurity, if the obscurity is your security. Given that obscurity doesn't gain you much, if anything, I said that you shouldn't spend much, if any, time on it and put it towards an acutal more secure algorithm. Obscurity can also be bad in that it can give the user a false sense of security, which is dangerous.

You need to work on those reading skills.

310 posted on 10/08/2005 7:07:15 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
That's an opinion that isn't supported by evidence.

Exactly. There was no evidence MA was going to switch, but they did. Sorry Bush, but more and more organizations are starting to become wary of lock-in. They had the problem with IBM, didn't learn their lesson, and did it again with Microsoft. Twice bitten - once shy, government is a bit slow to learn.

311 posted on 10/08/2005 7:10:21 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton
Everytime I try it still sucks ass (for a desktop). It may catch up one day, but Apple and Microsoft have a much better experience than Linux will be able to offer for the foreseeable future.

Wow, we found a place to agree. Of course, Microsoft is also way behind and playing catch-up. It's all relative.

312 posted on 10/08/2005 7:13:33 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: js1138
the OS can boot from power off in 15 seconds, and Word can open in less than one second.

Your system is definitely faster than the one I tested on. Of course, those laptop hard drives slow launches immensely. A re-launch of either Word or OO Write was almost instant though.

313 posted on 10/08/2005 7:16:15 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
A. They're a customer. B. Because they're asking for functionality which few people are asking for.

You just don't get it. This is capitalism, and the customer rules. The customer states a requirement, and vendors line up to provide that requirement in order to get the business. Pretty simple.

Microsoft, and its spokesmen and slaves, just don't want to lose the lock-in and therefore the Office monopoly.

314 posted on 10/08/2005 7:19:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tubebender

Looks like spyware and bloatware heaven. Probably the type of thing that automatically sets itself to pre-load everytime you turn on your computer, steal all of your file associations without asking, and put 2-3 hundred AOL shortcuts on your desktop.


315 posted on 10/08/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: antiRepublicrat; Bush2000
This is capitalism, and the customer rules.

LMAO!

You don't even know what capitalism is! Try profits rule. Customer service is just one aspect of making a profit.

Your socialist underpinnings are starting to show.

316 posted on 10/08/2005 8:05:00 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
You don't even know what capitalism is! Try profits rule.

Try going back to Business 101. The customer has the money. The customer chooses who will get his business. Your profits depend on the customer choosing YOU.

317 posted on 10/08/2005 8:24:44 AM PDT by TechJunkYard (Open Source: the difference between trust and antitrust)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Boot time from power off is influenced by the BIOS and by the hard drive, but XP is much, much faster than any previous version of Windows.

Program loading is also influenced by the hard drive.

The $900 system I would build for a business user would have the cheapest AMD64 currently available and a WD Raptor drive. The Raptor adds about $75 to the price of the machine, but makes program loading almost instantaneous. Business users have nothing to gain from a separate video card. I have yet to see a business computer fill a 20 gig drive, much less a 40 or 80.

This price would give you XP PRO and Office retail packages with real CDs. A little more than WalMart prices, but not outrageous.


318 posted on 10/08/2005 10:35:22 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: for-q-clinton
You don't even know what capitalism is! Try profits rule. Customer service is just one aspect of making a profit.

In capitalism, the customer rules. You have to please the customer in order to make that profit. Unless of course, you're a monopoly, and then you don't have to care what the customer thinks. Microsoft is just starting to realize it can't operate in that mode anymore.

319 posted on 10/08/2005 3:45:19 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: TechJunkYard

Trying to cover for your buddy huh? Profits are key and the only rule of capitalism. Everything else is just a means to make a profit. Customer's don't rule...profits do. Sure good customer service will help, but what if it costs me more than I make to give the level of customer service requested? If your at least educated past the 3rd grade you'll know you'll go out of business.

Still LMAO...customer's rule in capitalism. That was funny. And then you try to defend that ignorant statement. I guess that makes you even dumber.


320 posted on 10/08/2005 8:00:29 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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