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Professor, teachers to testify in intelligent-design trial [Dover, PA, 05 Oct]
Times Leader ^ | 05 October 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 10/05/2005 3:53:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A philosophy professor and two science teachers were expected to testify Wednesday in a landmark trial over a school board's decision to include a reference to "intelligent design" in its biology curriculum.

Barbara Forrest, a philosophy professor at Southeastern Louisiana University, is being called as an expert witness on behalf of eight families who are trying to have intelligent design removed from the Dover Area School District's biology curriculum. The families contend that it effectively promotes the Bible's view of creation, violating the constitutional separation of church and state.

Forrest's testimony was expected to address what opponents allege is the religious nature of intelligent design, as well as the history and development of the concept, according to court papers filed by the plaintiffs before the trial.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III was also expected to hear testimony from Bertha Spahr, chairman of Dover High School's science department, and biology teacher Jennifer Miller.

Under the policy approved by Dover's school board in October 2004, students must hear a brief statement about intelligent design before classes on evolution. It says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact," has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to an intelligent-design textbook for more information.

Intelligent-design supporters argue that life on Earth was the product of an unidentified intelligent force, and that natural selection cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

The plaintiffs are represented by a team put together by the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The school district is being defended by the Thomas More Law Center, a public-interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Mich., that says its mission is to defend the religious freedom of Christians.

The trial began Sept. 26 and is expected to last as long as five weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cnim; crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: Stultis
And here's one, for instance, that meets your definition: Wolves and coyotes occasionally hybridize in nature and the pups are healthy and fertile. Yet for whatever reasons (I don't actually know, probably rarity of the event mostly, maybe unsuccessful rearing) these occasional hybridizations don't have any discernible biological effects on the respective populations, which remain distinct.

It was long thought that there was an endangered wolf species, the "Southern Red Wolf" in the Southeastern US, mostly Georgia. I believe genetic testing has settled it that this population was the result of wolf-coyote hybridization, probably occuring after European settlers thinned the populations of both to where breeding partners became scarce.

601 posted on 10/06/2005 5:51:55 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Better a bottle in fronta me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: Liberal Classic
He seems to have resigned, at least for now.
602 posted on 10/06/2005 5:53:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Better a bottle in fronta me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: gobucks
Yeah. So rare that a book was published nearly 10 years ago

Wow. Someone wrote a book about it ten years ago so it must be true! Thanks for clearing that up.

603 posted on 10/06/2005 6:39:18 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RunningWolf

Real men use 'C' not C++


604 posted on 10/06/2005 6:43:45 PM PDT by b_sharp (Free Modernman and SeaLion from purgatory)
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To: gobucks
Funny, you'd think 'scientists' and big wig corp types would have little in common.

Anti science AND anti capitalism.

You SURE this is the right website for you fella?

605 posted on 10/06/2005 6:43:56 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: b_sharp

C is horrible


606 posted on 10/06/2005 6:45:07 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

Nonsense.


607 posted on 10/06/2005 6:47:05 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: b_sharp

I agree.


608 posted on 10/06/2005 6:48:12 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954

forced to declare variables at the start of a function? that hurts me


609 posted on 10/06/2005 6:49:39 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: RightWingNilla
Anti science AND anti capitalism.

It figures.

Science appeals to the conservative mind for the same reasons that free enterprise does. It's reality-based, it focuses on what works, it rejects failed concepts, and it produces results. Science is one of the precious few examples of rationality in human experience.

610 posted on 10/06/2005 6:51:17 PM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, half-wit, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: bobdsmith

It's a good reminder. However, my issues are with virtual memory usage, and keeping track of it. You can easily loose track with C++. You've got to be real sloppy to loose track of it with C.


611 posted on 10/06/2005 6:53:22 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954

how low level are you coding?? Surely anything that can be done in C can be done in c++, its just c with objects. and I thought of another reason to dislike c - malloc sucks.


612 posted on 10/06/2005 6:58:55 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: b_sharp
Real men code assembler. (OK, there are no real men anymore!)
613 posted on 10/06/2005 7:09:56 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bobdsmith

how low level are you coding??

Not currently, but in the past, coding at the level where VM usage matters. Real men manage their own VM ;)

Surely anything that can be done in C can be done in c++, its just c with objects.

And vice versa. C++ is great at higher levels of abstraction. But when you need performance, optimization, and efficiency, you can't beat C. And I've found less experienced C++ users who are unfamiliar with C to be sloppy with VM usage.

and I thought of another reason to dislike c - malloc sucks.

I love malloc (and calloc).

614 posted on 10/06/2005 7:10:06 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: VadeRetro

Microcoding is basically assembly coding. Not many do that these days, but they are around.


615 posted on 10/06/2005 7:13:52 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: b_sharp
Real men do everything the most difficult way they can imagine, (without any accouterments) ;)

But for programming, its best to write to & for the CPU.

Wolf
616 posted on 10/06/2005 7:30:38 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: King Prout
"Why do you falsely state that the ToE holds high-taxa saltation to be necessary (even possible... a hint: such saltation is ruled out by the ToE)?

Use smaller words. Many will not understand 'high-taxa saltation'. (Putting salt on the tail of the local tax collector?)

For lurkers:
Saltation is an extreme change in morphology (observable physical attributes) based on large (generally multi-gene) mutation.
High-taxa (plural)[High-taxon (singular)] Standard taxonomic classes above the species level.

617 posted on 10/06/2005 7:32:23 PM PDT by b_sharp (Free Modernman and SeaLion from purgatory)
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To: Liberal Classic
What the heck happened to general_re?

Back channel info I'm getting indicates he voluntarily resigned for personal reasons.

618 posted on 10/06/2005 7:35:43 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Dimensio
Just for conversation sake:

As a teenager in the '70s and '80s I wore my hair long, roughly halfway down my back. (Think tall Jimmy Page)

As I aged, my hair was cut shorter and shorter, now at 50 I shave my head.

At no time have women (or I suspect, men) ever mistaken me for a woman. Most people identify the other sex using many more signals than just hair length. At a distance, I usually identify the fairer sex by their walk. Close up, movement is still important but proportions come into play.
619 posted on 10/06/2005 7:40:11 PM PDT by b_sharp (Free Modernman and SeaLion from purgatory)
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To: b_sharp
Use smaller words.

nawp... I *want* them to have to look stuff up. good for strong, builds good bones and moral fibre.

620 posted on 10/06/2005 7:40:18 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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