Dad: Oklahoma student bomber wasn't politically motivated

CNN ^ | 10/4/05

[Waco]

Just another dead Lib. Oh, and no political agenda to push. Must include little bit of crapola too.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"It's OK, folks, he wasn't into politics...just your average psycho."

[indcons]

This story is slightly old (for those of us who have been following the other threads). Poor man.....feel sad for him. Why should he suffer for the son's faults? However, he appears to be wrong in this case. Remember - the first stories that came out indicated that he hardly had contact with his son.

Thanks to Hoosiermama for the ping.

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for the ping! And pigs fly. This is the same father that said all little boys like to blow things up.

After what has been confirmed tonight, this Father who hasn't seen his son in a year and a half according to local media should shut up.

Is the religion of peace a political agenda or religion? What a load of crap that is being peddled here in Norman right now. Maybe they should ask local law enforcement what they think of all the explosives they found in this nice, young man's apartment, or about how he tried to buy ammonium nitrate at Ellison Feed Store here in Norman or ...

To all of those who believe some of us are wearing tinfoil, just wait until the REAL STORY is actually reported on the record -- the lid cannot be kept on forever as it is already coming off. Sources are confirming off the record that he did not commit suicide. Next time you make fun of people wearing tinfoil hats, you might want to wait awhile. When 2+2 do not add up there is usually a reason.

Thanks again for the ping and letting me get in my two cents.

[Thinkin' Gal]

"Fourscore and seven years ago our father Mohammed (pbuh) brought forth upon this continent a new jihad..."

[msnimje]

He shouldn't say that, he will never get his check from Hamas.

[SittinYonder]

Maybe he was an Amish wannabee?

No reason to jump to conclusions. Just because he had a Pakistani roommate, chose to wear a beard in the post 9/11 world that made him look like a jihadist, went to a packed stadium with a bomb (that maybe went off when he wanted it to or maybe went off prematurely before the crowds could get around him), and visited a Mosque prior to his suicide by bomb - it would be premature to speculate that he was an Islamofascist intending to kill innocents.

Sometimes 1+1=2.

But I'm sure the Feds will investigate this and let us know the truth.

;-)

[budwiesest]

but everyone is making assumptions bases of scattered facts they are getting from the media

Dude, look at the shirt in the pic above. It has effed-up muslim written all over it. Besides, even Little Joe Cartwright wouldn't have been caught dead wearing such an oversized, camel-hair rag trying to look 'prairie'. To find a rag like that, you'd have to shop Old Afganistan exclusively.

[Thinkin' Gal]

Ooops, I forgot the side-by-side...

[SittinYonder]

This is the same father that said all little boys like to blow things up.

OK, not taking up for the jihadist or his denial father, but as the father of three boys, I've gotta agree - they love blowing crap up. ... Just not themselves.

[angkor]

Stylish beard that kid has. Looks like Johnny Jihad Lindh's, not to mention a million other Islamowhackos.

[My Right Foot]

Man, the D.U. is all over the map on this one.

Link
Straight Shooter

"Gads, so many things to remember. Microbiology department. Why do my antenna go up at that?"

jobycom(my emphasis)

Not really a conspiracy theory, just one of those possibilities you wonder about. The copilot, Michael Guess, called his mother just before the flight. He told her, according to her (and this was published in mainstream papers) "I love you, Mom. Remember that, no matter what happens." She said this to a reporter, and then she added "And that's all I'm saying about it." It sounded like she thought something was up.

So throw in the old suicide/mafia scenario. Michael Guess gets a quick visit from a couple of guys. They throw down a picture of his mother, and a couple of other family members, at their houses. They say "If your plane lands, all of these people die. And then you die. Obviously, if you tell anyone, you die, and we have enough people to make sure no one believes you anyway."

I had a friend who was busted for laundering money for an organized crime mob. He ran a business that they used, so he wasn't really part of the mob, but he was guilty of doing business with them. Anyway, he had served his time, and he worked with me doing something else. He had this usual schtick of adding "But I can't talk about that" to the end of a statement, as a joke. "You'd be surprised what you can do with chopsticks...But I can't talk about that." or "I used to work for the CIA, but I can't talk about that." You always knew he was joking when he said these thinks.

So one evening at work we were chatting about political assassinations. I mentioned that I thought Oswald shot JFK, and he agreed. He said something like "When they want to assassinate someone, they do it so no one knows. Like this one Congressman who was investigating drug smuggling, and he was getting too close. So they kidnapped the family of his pilot and told the pilot "If you don't crash this plane with the Congressman in it, your whole family dies." So he crashed the plane." He had started talking, not really paying attention to his own story, until I interrupted. "You mean Larkin Smith?" He was Congressman in my old district in Gulfport, and was a lesser known Rep who had died during his first or second term.

My friend had been carried away with his story, and we were working, so he wasn't focused on it, but as soon as I said the name his head snapped up like someone threw water on him. His eyes widened, and he literally went pale, and he stared at me, like he hadn't expected me to know that. "How do you know that?" I asked, doubting him. "I really can't talk about that," he said, and he had the most serious look I'd ever seen him have.

Anyway, he was probably full of it, but it was strange crash. Witnesses said the plane had dipped during takeoff, and then recovered, and the pilot hadn't said anything about it to the control tower (there may not have been one, it was a small airport). Later he crashed into some trees near the landing airport, and last I heard, they had no idea why. They blamed it on pilot error. This Congressman had taken over Trent Lott's district when Lott became Senator. He had become a local celebrity by busting his sheriff (he was the deputy sheriff) for drug smuggling. he had reported the sheriff, and there was a big FBI sting that caught him as he was greeting a plane that had landed full of drugs just north of Bay St. Louis. Big story where I was at the time. Later, conspiracy folk linked this airfield and the old sheriff, and thus Larken Smith to the whole Mena, Arkansas, CIA drug smuggling theory. And it was drug mob that my friend had been busted with.

I still think he was full of it, though I keep that theory open. I keep the same theory about Wellstone open. The crash makes no sense, even the way the FAA reports it. I believe that Carnahan's crash, and JFK Jr' crash, were just crashes. And I believe tha Oswald shot JFK, and I don't believe Sirhan was programmed by CIA hypnotists. I don't believe in many conspiracies. But I have my doubts about Wellstone's crash. And Smith's. I knew Smith's story before the crash, and everyone always suspected someone would get him because of what he was doing. So the crash seemed more mysterious.

etc etc etc

[Mrs. Shawnlaw]

You tellem girl! I keep my tin tucked neatly under my cowgirl hat.
They better get this wrapped up soon. We'll be near Duncan by summer!

[popdonnelly]

Why is CNN putting this crap out now? The local TV station in Oklahoma says that Hinrichs was seen at the local Islamic Center, and that he tried a couple of days before his death to buy a significant amount of ammonium nitrate. CNN is incapable of getting the facts straight.

[MinuteGal]

It's significant because a sibling is usually in a position to comment on whether the blown-up-one was "depressed" as Boren is throwing out as a red herring to protect his school.

Or maybe the sister was not in touch with him because he had converted to Islam.

Or maybe he was off to some ME country for some "training" a la some other American-born jihadists.

Who knows?

I'm just pointing out that all clues help in complex investigations which have to ferret out truth from fiction.

Leni

[popdonnelly]

We've already gone through this extensively on other threads. Yes, the guy was an Al Qaeda wannabe. The only question is whether he had other people involved with him.

[SittinYonder]

Huh?

[Americanwolf]

you can make your assumptions, but I will wait until all the facts are in...

[Americanwolf]

I am glad you can tell religious affiliation just by clothing type /sarcasm off...

Just never look at my pics after I left the service or my brothers college pics... we would be labeled as hippy radicals...(reality was we were just slobs at that point in our lives)

[Americanwolf]

you can go through it and discuss it and come to the all the conclusions you want... all I am saying is people are making assumptions based on limited facts...

until we know all the facts it is all speculation...

I will be the first to say if he was a jihadi he got what he deserved... but right now I see him as no more then a disturbed kid that went out with a bang.