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Some Experts Say It's Time to Evacuate the Coast (for Good)
NY Times ^ | 04 October 2004 | Cornelia Dean

Posted on 10/04/2005 4:35:59 PM PDT by Lorianne

PENSACOLA, Fla. - As the Gulf Coast reels from two catastrophic storms in a month, and the Carolinas and Florida deal with damage and debris from hurricanes this year and last, even some supporters of coastal development are starting to ask a previously unthinkable question: is it time to consider retreat from the coast?

Yes, said Howard Marlowe, president of Marlowe & Company, a lobbying firm that represents counties and local governments, often in seeking support for coastal infrastructure, like roads, sewers and beach replenishment. "I think we need to be asking that and discussing that, and the federal government needs to provide leadership," Mr. Marlowe said.

He added, "I have never been an advocate for the federal government telling people that they have to move out, but it's important to have a discussion at all levels of government about what can be done to make sure more people do not put themselves in harm's way. It will not be an easy dialogue."

The idea that much of the coast is dangerous and getting more so is not new. Coastal scientists have been saying for years that global warming will threaten coastal areas with higher seas and more powerful storms, and that a hurricane lull that began in the mid-1960's will eventually give way to the far more dangerous pattern of storms that prevailed in the 1930's, 40's and 50's. Since then, though, development has transformed the nation's shoreline, especially on the east and gulf coasts.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
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1 posted on 10/04/2005 4:36:00 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
global warming will threaten coastal areas

That's as far as I got. I know everything I need to know about the author of that Quote.

2 posted on 10/04/2005 4:38:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Lorianne

We're just going to abandon, say, 5 miles to the coast all across the Nation? Fat freakin' chance!

These pie-in-the-sky "scientists" need to get a grip on reality. Build smarter, with an eye to mitigating the potential damage; but for God's sake, quit staying stuck on stupid!


3 posted on 10/04/2005 4:39:42 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Graybeard58

The problem is not global warming. The problem is crustal subsidence. Holland is an example of learning to live with it.


4 posted on 10/04/2005 4:42:48 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Lorianne
I am perfectly happy to allow people to build houses right on the beach IF I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO REBUILD THEIR HURRICANE-DESTROYED HOME.

You take the risk. You assume all costs.

5 posted on 10/04/2005 4:44:11 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: clee1
We're just going to abandon, say, 5 miles to the coast all across the Nation? Fat freakin' chance!

One problem with newspapers is that the headlines aren't written by the authors of articles; in this case the headline doesn't really match the content of the article.

Nowhere is it advocated that the entire coast of the US be evacuated or that the government forcibly evict people from the coast.

What IS advocated is the perfectly sensible policy of no longer subsidizing development or building infrastructure on SOME sections of the coast.

6 posted on 10/04/2005 4:44:49 PM PDT by Strategerist
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7 posted on 10/04/2005 4:46:31 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Lorianne

Retreat from the coast? We would have to move just about all of Florida to Georgia.


8 posted on 10/04/2005 4:47:10 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: clee1

I think a more apt label is "heads up their a$$" scientists. Just one more shot in the NY Times quest to turn us all into simpering, spinless cowards.

I do think, however, that if people want to like in high risk areas, the rest of us shouldn't subsidize it.


9 posted on 10/04/2005 4:47:29 PM PDT by rbg81
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I do think, however, that if people want to like in high risk areas, the rest of us shouldn't subsidize it.

I totally agree.

10 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:23 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Lorianne
"I think we need to be asking that and discussing that, and the federal government needs to provide leadership," Mr. Marlowe said.

Oh yes. Please, the government needs to provide homes, Jobs, new cars and maybe new identities for those living on the coast! We must protect them from themselves!

11 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:54 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: Lorianne

i'm just curious: do conservatives think that the American people should subsidize development in coastal areas? because that's what's happening, thru government-subsidized flood insurance.
we are all paying so that people can build houses that will soon be underwater.


12 posted on 10/04/2005 4:53:17 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

i agree!


13 posted on 10/04/2005 4:54:22 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: Lorianne
and the federal government needs to provide leadership,"

That's a good one!

14 posted on 10/04/2005 4:55:09 PM PDT by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline, please contact the administrator.)
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To: clee1
Doesn't that five mile evacuation concept encompass LA and NY? Maybe even DC is included. Come to think of it, that rule would take out most of the "scientists" in the US, it might just work out.
15 posted on 10/04/2005 4:55:15 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Are you a dog, too?)
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To: Graybeard58
know everything I need to know

Exactly. Another ploy to condemn America for the fallacy of global warming. Without even waiting for the proof of their premise they start on the reactions.

Might there be a case for no longer providing federal flood insurance for these areas? Sure.

Let the open market set the price for insurance.

The market will establish the building standards, the areas you can build, the strength of the structures, the evacuation plans, etc. If you want to ignore that and build anyway and forgo insurance its your risk.

But to close off the entire coast for a storm that comes once every 50 years is silly.

16 posted on 10/04/2005 4:57:56 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Thebaddog

i just read some articles on hurricanes in NYC and Long Island. Basically, when the next major hurricanes hit, southern manhattan and the south shore of LI will be under water.
maybe the government should start building some levees!!


17 posted on 10/04/2005 4:58:01 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: Thebaddog

Not if they relocated inland. OTOH, if God decided to flush...


18 posted on 10/04/2005 4:58:44 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Lorianne

Let people live where they want to. If someone can afford to live on the beach, nice to be them, but no automatic Federal bail out when the next Katrina hits. Don't make the rest of us subsidize their getting to live in one the country's vacation spots.


19 posted on 10/04/2005 4:59:06 PM PDT by GBA
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To: rbg81
I do think, however, that if people want to like in high risk areas, the rest of us shouldn't subsidize it.

I almost agree with you; my only point of disagreement is that we make it a practice to zone and license residential construction in those areas, and that that implies that that housing is up to code and reasonably habitable. I don't blame those caught in the storm, I blame those who developed the area and then dumped the housing on unsuspecting victims. That is where the problem starts and where the solution should begin.
20 posted on 10/04/2005 5:00:02 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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