Ground Shifted Beneath Levees

Yahoo News (Los Angeles Times) ^ | 10/01/05 | Ralph Vartabedian

[blake6900]

The rapid sinking of the Louisiana coast may have lowered New Orleans levees and contributed to their failure after Hurricane Katrina, resulting in the city's catastrophic flooding, engineers and other experts say.

Levees and storm walls may be as much as 2 feet lower than they were designed to be, both because elevation data were outdated when the levees were built and because the land has continued to sink, they say.

[caryatid]

"sheer stupidity"

That would be nicknames for nagin and blanco?



Beyond Gross Public Dumb

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Much of NO East was peaty boggy land before they filled it in. I moved out to one of the suburbs before most of the area was built up, and the air was frequently filled with the smell of smoke from bog fires. We moved to one neighborhood in 1968, but moved out in 1973 in part because the ground had sunk below the house slab, exposing places that rats and cats would come into the house from below. In 5 years, must have sunk around a foot. During the same time period, in Jefferson Parish, the area immediately west of New Orleans, houses blew up because of subsidence problems with the gas lines to the houses.

[bboop]

Isn't there a hint, in this, of 'we have to stop the dams from taking the soil that should go to the Delta'?? I think. And 'draining the swamps is bad'-- sounds Enviro Wacko to me. Of COURSE Bush is at fault.

[caryatid]

Experts had sounded alarms in recent years about subsidence, as the sinking is known ...

Subsidence (sub si dence), a condition where everything collapses after politicians suck all the money out of the environment.

[dljordan]

"This "expert" was on Meet the Press last Sunday--the second of two visits--and basically laid the whole thing at the feet of the Bush Administration for cutting funds to the Army Corps of Engineers."

WRONG! I have it on good authority that George Bush ordered Navy divers to blow up the levees because he hates blacks and wants to steal their land.

[Bar-Face]

"As levees have sunk, melting glaciers have lifted ocean levels globally"

And then and then when the Bush Administration dynamited the levees and the black neighborhoods were flooded with the water bypassing the white neighborhoods and the military gunships shot at black people foraging for food and the black people had to eat each other and kill and rape thousands in the Superdome and poor Ray Nagin was out there begging the Bush administration for help and Kathleen Blanco was trying to get the Louisiana National Guard to come in and help but Bush had called all of them to Iraq, except a few who had to stay to help dynamite the levees and the global warming caused the levees to sink cause the Bush admistration was brewing up hurrycanes to kill of the African Americans in New Orleans all because they don't like black people.

Ray Nagin for Congress 2008 /sarc>

[B4Ranch]

>>As levees have sunk, melting glaciers have lifted ocean levels globally, she added.<<

I am not a scientist but I do have a call into one to verify what I am thinking. I think:

When water freezes it encompasses greater mass.

When an iceburg melts the amount of ice above the surface will only fill the space that the iceburg took below the waterline.

Therefore this will not cause the oceans to rise.

Am I correct?

[B4Ranch]

Does NO have a building code of any sort?

[Casekirchen]

OK, so NOW as (still) more evidence gathers than 'norlins' is sinking, can we quit trying to rebuild a city that is below sea level in a swamp?

All the workers have been evacuated, they will find new jobs where they are now. That is what workers do. The business owners will establish their businesses where they are now, its not like they have any assets to return to.

All the welfare receivers have been evacuated, tell them to pick up their checks where they are now.

Every ocean going ship that was going to dock there has been redirected to another port.

Farmers will have to have the rail cars that they load their grain into go to one of the other US ports.

The human debris of the Frog Quarter will have to go somewhere else for their annual 'parade'



... And where are the environmental impact studies that are required by law any time a wetlands is drained?

If a normal citizen fills in a puddle on their land, they go to jail. Why aren't the citizens of 'norlins' held to the same legal standard?

[Tax Government]

The fed should pay NOT ONE CENT to rebuild New Orleans.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Of course...but that doesn't mean that at times it's slanted in the favor of developers....


But a lot of this happened before anybody thought to put subsidence into the equation...

[Ellesu]

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[blake6900]

And then and then when the Bush Administration dynamited the levees and the black neighborhoods were flooded with the water bypassing the white neighborhoods and the military gunships shot at black people foraging for food and the black people had to eat each other and kill and rape thousands in the Superdome and poor Ray Nagin was out there begging the Bush administration for help and Kathleen Blanco was trying to get the Louisiana National Guard to come in and help but Bush had called all of them to Iraq, except a few who had to stay to help dynamite the levees and the global warming caused the levees to sink cause the Bush admistration was brewing up hurrycanes to kill of the African Americans in New Orleans all because they don't like black people.

You forgot the part about Bush slashing the tires of all those school buses so those poor, black people couldn't get out of the sinking city.

The bottom line is this: The MSM counts on the public having no interest in finding out the truth about anything. Clinton--perfecting the Goebbels technique--taught the media that if you spin something first and often it becomes the truth and the subject or victim of that misinformation is left to, in effect, unspin the spin. This has become the standard by which the MSM operates. Delay is now indicted for money-laundering rather than conspiracy, Rove outed a James Bond type spy, Bennett said kill black people to lower crime, Bush doesn't care about black people because he cut funds to the Army Corp of Engineers, and the list goes on forever.

Those in the MSM know what they're doing but to liberals the end always justifies the means. As long as the desired end result, i.e. trash Bush, occurs it doesn't matter if the media is proven to be wrong now and then. For the most part the public is slow to demand truth and credibility. And the media understands this. Or at least the editors do.

But there's another dynamic here at work: basic economics. Lower circulation/ratings means lower profitability/influence. There's a shift going on and we're seeing it right before our very eyes. While the New York Times and some others may never change their left-leaning politics one good aspect of most corporated-owned media is that they really are in it for the money...they may be willing to push an agenda only so far and, in my view, that point is when it's no longer profitable to do so.