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1 posted on 10/01/2005 9:55:40 AM PDT by EveningStar
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3 posted on 10/01/2005 9:57:18 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Truth hurts for some but I see this as dead on from a fiscal perspective.


4 posted on 10/01/2005 9:57:43 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: EveningStar

Good editorial. I agree wholeheartedly.


5 posted on 10/01/2005 10:00:45 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: EveningStar

Stop eating ourselves! Remember that we shouldn't have won without people like Rove and DeLay! We also have a lot of ideas. The problem is that our Congress hasn't realized our conservative agenda. The faster the better on taxes, justice (trials...), defense.


6 posted on 10/01/2005 10:01:35 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: EveningStar

Maybe I haven't followed matters closely enough, but I don't think DeLay's very unfortunate comments on the Katrina spending are typical of his usual behavior. Also, it's one thing to be conservative but another to publicly attack the leadership.

On balance, I would have said that DeLay has been a reliable force for conservative values over the years, and I don't feel happy about shooting him down over one episode.


9 posted on 10/01/2005 10:15:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: EveningStar

I thought we were not supposed to have ideas other than what the constitution says. Ideas means government programs. Conservatism is defined by an ideal, not an idea.


11 posted on 10/01/2005 10:22:41 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: EveningStar
The premise of the article is flawed. They contend the GOP Leadership is short on ideas then set about proving they have ideas but have not capitalized on them. Tell me, how can anyone agree with this article when it attacks from one end, disproves its contention in another, then plops the real problem in the midst without further examination.

Ex. But even when Mr. Bush has pressed for reform, as he did this year on Social Security, Republicans on Capitol Hill have whined and resisted. If Mr. Bush failed to mobilize the country, it was in part because Congressional Republicans were so vocal in their caterwauling.

And therein is the real problem. The GOP is not short on ideas. It is short of will in the Legislatures.

The WSJ should be embarrassed by this column, they could and have done far better in past.

And, btw, I'm resistent to forces in the base behaving as immorally as Dems because Delay committed one, apparently on their parts, unpardonable error. Delay has been effective, he is a conservative. He has been responsible for conservatives successes on whole in past. And I denounce any that seek his head on either aisle. Delay and Pence can co-exist in the Party and I am fond of BOTH.

12 posted on 10/01/2005 10:25:17 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: EveningStar

It was time for Dick Armey to go when he dismissed the idea of eliminating the Federal gas tax because the Oil companies would only "raise the price" of gas, instead of passing the savings on to the customer.


13 posted on 10/01/2005 10:27:45 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Will the next President inherit George W. Bush's hurricane making machine?)
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To: EveningStar

Au contraire, the republican leadership deficit is not a matter of ideas as much as it the default elevation of apparatchiks to positions of power.

Both DeLay and Frist are reliable "conservatives" and this excuses most of their excesses and all of their vapidity. Both are "good party men". In this regard, the republican party is becoming more like the democrats every day; it doesn't work except for those who know how to manipulate the party system for their own benefit.

If you require proof of this, then ask yourself this question: how is it that DeLay and Frist, both mediocre personalities and talents, can be elevated to such high levels of leadership, yet a Rudy Guiliani cannot be considered for the republican nomination for President? Aren't we supposed to be the defenders of the maxim "the best man available for the job?".

We have ideas aplenty, what we lack are men willing to risk their positions to fight for them.


14 posted on 10/01/2005 10:31:42 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: EveningStar

Democrats have ideas??
Jeesh!


17 posted on 10/01/2005 10:48:51 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: EveningStar
Conservative has become a nebulous term..
It can mean either big government republican or small government republican.. or no republican at all.. or even moderate democrat..

But what it really means is, "same old, same old".. and George Bush is really Bill Clinton with family values and a classy wife.... that resembles Alfred E. Neuman(Madd Mag.) a lot..

Not a very conservative statement, true, but then, I'm no conservative..

18 posted on 10/01/2005 10:50:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: EveningStar
The GOP has become the party of pork and big government. If we lose control of Congress next year or find our House margin slashed, it could provide a much needed wake up call to a complacent leadership. The mid-term elections are around the corner and DeLay's troubles are signs of the party's rot after a decade in power. What's saving the party for now is the Democrats' lack of ideas and move to the extreme Left but it shouldn't be counted on forever. At some point, the Republican leadership has a decision to make: what kind of America do Republicans want?

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
22 posted on 10/01/2005 11:13:11 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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