[indcons]

This article was posted on Slate yesterday. A great read nevertheless.

[indcons]

Great read from Slate on why ID does not use scientific rigor.

[NonLinear]

over here

[MAD-AS-HELL]

he's right. Until ID actually comes up with some type of evidence, it's all conjecture. Regardless of what many of you think, Evolution --as a theory -- does have a lot to back it up.

[America First Libertarian]

The ID movement is frankly an embarassment. Not to mention it isolates 40-50% percent of scientists in the nation (happen to be Christians). ID is not science, it barely even rises to pseudoscience. If they would just admit it, then I would have no problem with it being taught in a philosophy or comparative religion class. But you can't play science.

[RichInOC]

"Bother..." said Pooh, as he took a cricket bat to what was left of his computer after he shot out the monitor. "No more bloody crevo threads."

[TheCrusader]

Nobody can prove either side of the debate, so it all comes down to where you place your faith, in the scientist's "Big Bang" theory or in religion and God. So this is one of those issues that definately tends to "separate the wheat from the chaff".

[Khurkris]

"heh henh...heh henh...he said..."Testables"...heh henh...heh henh"

[LiteKeeper]

Having acknowledged that standard, advocates of ID must now demonstrate how hypotheses based on it can be tested by experiment or observation. Otherwise, ID isn't science.

Please, someone, demonstrate how that can be done by evolution as well.

[MedicalMess]

Intelligent Design murders people!

Because people believe in God no one asked how Jesus cured his patients. No one went looking for the twelve crops the twelve disciples carried around to do the healing. Read Revelations and buy a clue. He was warning people of food-borne pathogens and sexually transmitted diseases. He had "hidden manna", special crops he employed to do the healing. His first cousin John was about to spill the beans and use the formula as a weapon to force people into Christian morality. The formula is referred to as the "Tree of Life". There are only two places it is mentioned in the Bible, at the very beginning and the very end. It is the Alpha and the Omega.

Moses also knew the formula described as the "Tree of Life". It wasn't hard to figure out. All the Pharaohs had to do was compare those raised on agriculture foods versus those captured that belonged to hunter/gather groups and what they ate. Moses had the formula, kept it from the people and only shared it with his inner circle of ten or so buddies.

Read your own Bible. They created God, and in doing so, they covered up the cure for incurable diseases and killed over a billion people between 1500 BC and present day.

When properly interpreted, the Bible completely backs the evolution of Man. When you worship God and say God is responsible for things you can't explain you fail to solve problems in a rational manner and this causes great agony to our whole society.

It is a fraud. It is inhuman cruelty.

Intelligent Design must be stopped to save lives. We have all suffered enough from religious doctrine which covers up truths and results in mass murder.

[cynicom]

There is one place that all sides reach that they must agree on or at least argue no further.

Scientists must reach a basic premise that matter always existed, having originated itself from nothing with no energy available. From this life evolved. Religionists come to a point where they say God always existed, he being life and matter evolved from him.

It is a complicated chicken or egg discussion.

[shuckmaster]

Good article on TROLL infested thread ping!

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

In The KJV of the Bible
Intelligent design is just as Scientific as Science itself !
as well as Spiritual !

nature occurs 12 times in 11 verses
time occurs 620 times in 563 verses
priest occurs 497 times in 442 verses
seek occurs 244 times in 233 verses
holy occurs 611 times in 544 verses
god occurs 4447 times in 3878 verses
saviour occurs 37 times in 37 verses
lord occurs 7836 times in 6668 verses
jesus occurs 983 times in 942 verses
satan occurs 55 times in 49 verses
love occurs 310 times in 280 verses
hate occurs 87 times in 85 verses
poor occurs 205 times in 197 verses
rich occurs 81 times in 80 verses
unclean occurs 194 times in 158 verses
dead occurs 364 times in 331 verses
alive occurs 88 times in 86 verses
camel occurs 9 times in 9 verses
dog occurs 15 times in 15 verses
sheep occurs 187 times in 178 verses
wolves occurs 7 times in 7 verses
one occurs 1967 times in 1695 verses
two occurs 835 times in 703 verses
three occurs 485 times in 426 verses
four occurs 328 times in 282 verses
five occurs 345 times in 270 verses
six occurs 202 times in 190 verses
seven occurs 463 times in 391 verses
eight occurs 80 times in 80 verses
nine occurs 50 times in 49 verses
ten occurs 248 times in 223 verses
eleven occurs 24 times in 24 verses
twelve occurs 189 times in 165 verses
thirteen occurs 15 times in 15 verses
fourteen occurs 26 times in 23 verses
fifteen occurs 24 times in 24 verses
sixteen occurs 23 times in 23 verses
seventeen occurs 10 times in 10 verses
eighteen occurs 22 times in 22 verses
nineteen occurs 3 times in 3 verses:
twenty occurs 293 times in 262 verses
fight occurs 107 times in 103 verses
man occurs 2615 times in 2331 verses
woman occurs 360 times in 335 verses
children occurs 1803 times in 1516 verses
child occurs 201 times in 181 verses
women occurs 178 times in 169 verses
men occurs 1653 times in 1489 verses
son occurs 2371 times in 1785 verses
daughter occurs 324 times in 288 verses
world occurs 287 times in 248 verses
corrupt occurs 33 times in 31 verses
violence occurs 57 times in 56 verses
egypt occurs 611 times in 558 verses
deceive occurs 27 times in 27 verses
deceived occurs 34 times in 31 verses
moon occurs 51 times in 51 verses
stars occurs 51 times in 50 verses
wisdom occurs 234 times in 222 verses
dream occurs 74 times in 61 verses
free occurs 59 times in 58 verses
freedom occurs 2 times in 2 verses
liberty occurs 27 times in 25 verses
trust occurs 134 times in 134 verses
cross occurs 28 times in 28 verses
chastise occurs 10 times in 10 verses
punish occurs 32 times in 32 verses
darkness occurs 162 times in 142 verses
light occurs 272 times in 235 verses
ever occurs 476 times in 417 verses
christ occurs 555 times in 522 verses
christian occurs 2 times in 2 verses

Dan 1:4

Children in whom [was] no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as [had] ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.



1Ti 6:20

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[chinche]

Is SETI science?

As I understand things, serious ID is heavily oriented towards math, probability and information theory. It could probably exist as a field of rigorous study without much immediate "testable" implications. For example, what is the minimum size family of specified complexity criteria that would warrant calling something the product of design? That would be applicable to any number of practical fields (forensics, archeology, and SETI, say), but offer no obvious hypotheses in and of itself. And if some biologist applies those criteria to some natural phenomena, well ... so what? The natural phenomena meet the criteria or not. That is not ID’s problem, except insofar as the criteria are theoretically sound, which has nothing to do with the specific hypothesis being put forth by the practical researcher. I frankly fail to see the non-political controversy of ID.

[Skooz]

Oh for cryin' out loud.

Will you crevo maniacs please get this settled? Please?

[Salvation]

Evidently the Slate crew doesn't use spellcheck??

[chilepepper]

it always great to have large testables. oysters help...