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The ‘Darwinist Inquisition’ Starts Another Round
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Posted on 09/30/2005 2:09:51 PM PDT by truthfinder9

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To: atlaw
How does one incorporate a reference to the supernatural in a scientific inquiry?

Say, hypothetically, that some "supernatural" force causes giant talking stalks of broccoli to get up and start mowing your lawn for free. Is it your view that science would be inherently incapable of taking note of that event?

To put the question more seriously, as long as something has an observable effect on the real world, what's to prevent it from being reachable through scientific investigation?

21 posted on 09/30/2005 2:28:42 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: truthfinder9

Yep, it's going down.


22 posted on 09/30/2005 2:28:49 PM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: truthfinder9
The Inquisition, What a Show!

23 posted on 09/30/2005 2:32:20 PM PDT by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: Edmund Dante
Better they than the ACLU, PFAW, AUSCS, and other assorted ilk.
24 posted on 09/30/2005 2:33:45 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: truthfinder9

I find all this sensitivity to having one's beliefs questioned or contradicted very entertaining.

Put a gun to my head, make me sing "Old Rugged Cross" or bow down to Mecca- you're not going to change the faith or beliefs in my heart. As (I think) Saint Thomas Aquinas said, without free will, faith cannot exist.

My daughter learns Darwinist science in school. And she learns our faith's creation stories at home. She gets to choose which to believe- or maybe decide that science and religion aren't mutually exclusive.

As my wife's old professor used to say, "When evolution makes these sudden leaps, that science can't explain- there is the hand of God."


26 posted on 09/30/2005 2:35:22 PM PDT by Ostlandr (sator arepo tenet opera rotas -tr. The Creator, with great effort, holds the works of his Creation.)
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To: narby

I don't think Christianity will be damaged as a whole by ID. In the long run, Christianity will be strengthened as controversies like this refine it. The number of people who believe specifically in ID, as defined by the current controversy, is small and inconsequential. ID is a passing fancy and will fade away as more people come gradually to understand that evolution is a materialistic mechanism only and does not contradict matters of faith.


27 posted on 09/30/2005 2:35:44 PM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: kkindt
But the nature of the designer is NOT what is at issue

It's absolutely what's at issue. The people who are stridently shoving the ID garbage at us are not research scientists, they are religious types. I don't think they are contending (or would support the idea) that an ancient race of unfeeling super-machines created DNA.
Since they haven't offered a particle of evidence that ID is anything more than psuedo-intellectual wankery, all we have to consider is the nature of the alleged designer.

28 posted on 09/30/2005 2:37:14 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: truthfinder9
I'd say Iowa State University has 120 smart professors and one extreme ignorance spewing blog writer.
29 posted on 09/30/2005 2:37:24 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: narby
Maybe just a case of "science envy"? Envy? Only an atheist could dream up such a silly notion.
30 posted on 09/30/2005 2:37:46 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: theoughttobezotobee
Who exactly is this designer supposed to be? What is the origin of the designer?

The theory doesn't need to answer those questions in order to be valid. All this comes down to is one simple matter: Either the diversity and features of living organisms can be accounted for through naturalistic evolution, or they can't. It doesn't get any more philosophical than that, nor should it.

31 posted on 09/30/2005 2:38:42 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: nothingnew
Interesting assumption that people who dismiss ID for the farce it is are not Christian. Dismissing a faulty man made theory does not put one at odds with any beliefs. After all, the Intelligence in ID is never identified, is it?
32 posted on 09/30/2005 2:38:58 PM PDT by BlueBlood
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Intellegent Design is bad where the hocus pocus comes in. Oct 23, 4004 BC is counter-intiuitive.

If you were to say that God Made the universe, and all basic physic laws were followed except;
A) The incite of the Big Bang,
B) The point between life and not life,
C) The point between self-awareness vs. instinct only,
then you are fine. But, if it is all or nothing, and either accept all of ID or reject all ID, this is where the extremes have choked off all discussion...
33 posted on 09/30/2005 2:40:09 PM PDT by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: inquest
Scientific principals aren't decided by plebiscite. They are what they are based on what can be demonstrated by evidence. ID is not a scientific theory because it cannot be tested nor has it led to any other scientific discoveries.
34 posted on 09/30/2005 2:40:23 PM PDT by Borges
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To: truthfinder9
A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism
35 posted on 09/30/2005 2:40:40 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: Borges
views regarding a supernatural creator are, by their very nature, claims of religious faith, and so not within the scope or abilities of science

Except that origins determine consequences. The consequences of a system of thought that vigorously opposes the reality of God is neither scientific nor objective.

If a scientist wants to admit that he does not kow about God that is one thing. To say that God has no part in our understanding of the universe is quite another.

36 posted on 09/30/2005 2:41:15 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: truthfinder9
Nice post. Some what like the MSM Darwinists are sooo biased they don't even know they're biased.
37 posted on 09/30/2005 2:42:01 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668)
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To: theoughttobezotobee
ID science hasn't progressed past the initial claim that some organs are too complicated to have evolved incrementally

That's because designed things are built as simply and efficiently as possible to still be functional while there's no limits to the complications of evolutionary biology. The charlatans who promote this ineducable complexity BS are selling books to the most ignorant anti-science sentiment of the uneducated masses.

38 posted on 09/30/2005 2:42:26 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: narby

Christianity is not a philosophy. It is an understanding of the nature of reality.


39 posted on 09/30/2005 2:42:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Scientists make no claim about God.


40 posted on 09/30/2005 2:43:42 PM PDT by Borges
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