Spider 'is 20 million years old'

BBCNews ^ | 9/30/05 | BBCNEWS

[Alter Kaker]

OTOH, this spider's descendents must have forgotten to evolve. The 20 million year old spider looks like the ones I see in my kitchen today.

It has evolved, if you read the article it is a distinct species. That the morphology is similar (although distinct and not identical) to what we find today suggests that spiders' fit well within their niches, that they have found a succesful and flexible model.

[sphinx]

Dr Penney, of the School of Earth, Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences, said he had used the blood droplets to trace how, when and where the spider died.

He's assuming it's dead. Big mistake. Never trust a spider. Nuke it now, while it's still trapped in the amber.

[Alter Kaker]

It is apparently the evolutionists' arguments which need serious work so since few people actually believe it.

No, the failure of uninformed non-scientists to accept science is purely a fault of the American public education system.

[blau993]

As soon as I saw this headline, I immediately thought "Helen Thomas." Lo and behold, I only had to go 16 posts into it before her name was mentioned and 55 posts before her picture was posted. That is scary.

[edsheppa]

...made the fossils all as a practical joke!

Or, OTOH, He has saved them from the agony of, e.g., dying in a ball of tree sap.

[blowfish]

It is apparently the evolutionists' arguments which need serious work so since few people actually believe it. And once the schools throw in the ID, even fewer will believe it.

At that point, scientific education will be dumbed down enough that you can throw in the flat-earth and alien abduction theories and get a trifecta of ignorance!

[mlc9852]

Oh, I didn't realize they were going to toss physics, geology, etc. But I'm sure you know more about it than I do.

[mlc9852]

LOL - yeah.

[Alter Kaker]

LOL - yeah.

Let's stop talking about the masses here, and let's talk about you. You made a positive statement -- that no transitional fossils exist to support existing models of hominin evolution.

I proved you wrong. And then you turned the argument back on me, saying that science and I aren't persuasive. Well, why aren't we? What is it that keeps you from accepting scientific evidence or the scientific method? How do you dismiss all this out of hand? You say you don't believe it because you don't believe it, but you don't say why.

[edsheppa]

The 20 million year old spider looks like the ones I see in my kitchen today.

Ah, a test. Supposing DNA can be sequenced from this dead spider (and that it's not contaminated and that the dating is accurate and so on), we can compare it to DNA of the spider you killed. Evolution, being a scientific theory, predicts there will be at least 20M years of difference.

[mlc9852]

Because I believe God created man in his image according to what the Bible says. And a bunch of other reasons but that is the main one. And I have yet to see proof where one species transformed into another one.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Only the Christina United States of America and other WESTERN Christina based countries

God help us all.

[Protagoras]

"By analysing the position of the spider's body in relation to the droplets of blood in the amber we are able to determine how it died, which direction it was travelling in and even how fast it was moving."

I've had employees who said were moving, but I never could detect it. Maybe if I enclose them in amber we can figure out if they actually were and at what speed.

[Alter Kaker]

Because I believe God created man in his image according to what the Bible says.

Read Job 38. It is blasphemy to think you can understand Creation from Genesis. Genesis is not a scientific text, nor does it pretend to be.

[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And I have yet to see proof where one species transformed into another one.

Then go back and look at my post again. I just gave you a list of transitional fossils. If you haven't read the list, read it.

[Coyoteman]

Oh, I didn't realize they were going to toss physics, geology, etc. But I'm sure you know more about it than I do.

Godless physics? That claims some knowledge of the universe and how it came about? Has to go! Cosmology too.

Geology, that keeps trying to say layers are older than 6000 years? They're out of here too!

This is what I worry about. Once the proponents of ID get control, where will it stop? You saw the news article that started this thread, where one of the folks burned a mural because it was sinful or some such (or was that the other thread--hard to keep them separate any more).

Are books next?

You will probably think I am an alarmist, but it has happened before.

[sandydipper]

I'd rather have a snake in my pocket than be in the same room with a creepy spider - YEOWW!!

[mlc9852]

It was my understanding the burning of the mural was in response to the genitals, not evolution. While I am not in favor of burning books (even those written by liberals), I believe some books are not acceptable for children.

[Tim Long]

It would make headlines if mainstream scientists didn't suppress information that runs counter to their precious theory.

[mlc9852]

Excellent point.

[Alter Kaker]

It would make headlines if mainstream scientists didn't suppress information that runs counter to their precious theory.

Oooooh, a vast scientific conspiracy. Are the Jews in on it? The Neocons? The Masons?