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[Pennsylvania] Gov. Rendell backs evolution
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 30 September 2005 | NICOLE FREHSEE

Posted on 09/30/2005 7:45:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The Campaign to Defend the Constitution, a group organized to promote the teaching of evolution, sent letters Thursday to all 50 governors, urging them to ensure that science classes teach material based on established science.

The letters were signed by more than 100 scientists and clergy of various faiths, the group said.

Although Gov. Ed Rendell had not received the letters as of Thursday afternoon, spokeswoman Kate Philips said he is committed to the idea of teaching evolution in science classes.

Rendell "believes that (intelligent design) is more than appropriate to be taught in religion classes, but has no room in science classes in public schools," Philips said. "But this is in the court's hands now, and other than his opinion, he has no influence."

But a spokeswoman for DefCon, the group's nickname for itself, said the group hopes that after governors receive the letter, they will make a public announcement opposing the teaching of intelligent design.

"It would be nice if (Rendell) took a stance and said, whether it's in the Dover district or any other Pennsylvania district, 'We need to protect the teaching of science in our science classrooms,'" Jessica Smith said.

The group named Dover its top "Island of Ignorance" in the country. It has targeted areas in the country where it says evolution is being challenged at the state level or in public school science classrooms. They include Cobb County, Ga.; Kansas; Blount County, Tenn.; Ohio; Grantsburg, Wisc.; Alabama; Utah; South Carolina; and Florida.

Advocates of intelligent design say life is so complex that it is likely the result of deliberate design by some unidentified creator, not random evolutionary mutation and adaptation.

Critics say it is essentially creationism and violates the separation of church and state when it becomes part of a public school curriculum.

"We can do better when we let science do its job, and ask religion to do its job," former ACLU executive director Ira Glasser said Thursday, "and if there's a need for conversation, please, let's not do it in the classrooms of our children."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution; oviraptor
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To: blowfish

Yeah, the dogs turned into cats and the elephants turned into leopards. It was crazy, I bet.


181 posted on 09/30/2005 12:38:44 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Alter Kaker

Of course felines evovled into felines.


182 posted on 09/30/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Alter Kaker; mlc9852
Because there are 20,000,000 different species in the world today. Are you saying they only took a few species and they evolved afterwards into what we have today? Maybe a housecat, which later evolved into lynx, cougars, leopards, etc.

No, mlc cannot be saying that because mlc has unequivocally stated that speciation has never occurred. That was the original post that I responded to when I said that mlc could not be a YEC. Either the Noah story is a child's fable, or speciation on a scale undreamed of by mainstream biology has occurred in the last 4000 years.

183 posted on 09/30/2005 12:39:43 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Alter Kaker; mlc9852
Because there are 20,000,000 different species in the world today. Are you saying they only took a few species and they evolved afterwards into what we have today? Maybe a housecat, which later evolved into lynx, cougars, leopards, etc.

Funny, this is exactly what an article in Answers In Genesis says happened. I find it puzzling that creationists argue on one hand that evolution couldn't possibly occur, while at the same time arguing that it occurred at an impossibly fast pace since the Flood to account for today's biodiversity. Explanation, anyone?


184 posted on 09/30/2005 12:41:17 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ichy job! Keep up the good work.


185 posted on 09/30/2005 12:43:02 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Quark2005; mlc9852
Funny, this is exactly what an article in Answers In Genesis says happened. I find it puzzling that creationists argue on one hand that evolution couldn't possibly occur, while at the same time arguing that it occurred at an impossibly fast pace since the Flood to account for today's biodiversity. Explanation, anyone?

I think we can all draw our own conclusions about what this tells us about the reasoning capacity of those who take creationist lie-sites seriously.

186 posted on 09/30/2005 12:43:24 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: mlc9852
Of course felines evovled into felines.

Of course hominoids evolved into hominoids.

187 posted on 09/30/2005 12:43:49 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: keithtoo
I will go as far as to say that, in light of your explanation for why you made your claim, I was wrong to accuse you of equivocation. Your post was more of a reductive fallacy.

So therefore I will apologize for incorrectly identifying why your post was a fallacy. It was an honest mistake, and in the future I will endeavor to properly label your flaws.
188 posted on 09/30/2005 12:44:55 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: Quark2005

For a process that can't even produce speciation, it sure went into overdrive after the flood.


189 posted on 09/30/2005 12:44:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Alter Kaker; mlc9852
Of course hominoids evolved into hominoids.

Yes, hilarious; mlc is blithely accepting giant evolutionary strides across taxonomic space in a mere 4000 years, while insisting that virtually identical creatures cannot possibly be related when it gives her religious difficulties.

190 posted on 09/30/2005 12:47:10 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Quark2005
Who needs species?


191 posted on 09/30/2005 12:47:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: atlaw

They can reproduce with each other.


192 posted on 09/30/2005 12:47:46 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: narby

You are as nasty as ever. But most evos are. Doesn't matter. We see you all for what you are.


193 posted on 09/30/2005 12:49:05 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
You are as nasty as ever. But most evos are. Doesn't matter. We see you all for what you are.

Nice technique for ducking Narby's actual arguments. Please don't think about anything that might alter your preconceptions. You are doing a great job for the lurkers.

194 posted on 09/30/2005 12:50:43 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: metmom
Mentioning it in class for the historical value is not the same as teaching it as a viable theory.

In another post, I said that I wouldn't have any problem with ID being mentioned in a science class, exactly as you have stated.

195 posted on 09/30/2005 12:52:10 PM PDT by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: Dimensio

Nice babble. Please go on!


196 posted on 09/30/2005 12:53:24 PM PDT by tucker93
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To: PatrickHenry
Sounds like Darwin was equating Negroes, Aborigines and gorillas. Not very PC if you ask me.
197 posted on 09/30/2005 12:53:32 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: narby

Evolution remains a theory whether you like it or not. Creationists aren't going away and I doubt God is either.


198 posted on 09/30/2005 12:54:36 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Evolution remains a theory whether you like it or not.

That's what we've been saying all along!

199 posted on 09/30/2005 12:55:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Thatcherite

I have no doubt living things adapt - there is plenty of evidence for that. To say a sheep evolved into a goat or bird or cat is silly. To say apes evolved into humans is equally silly. God made sure species would survive - that is obvious.


200 posted on 09/30/2005 12:56:12 PM PDT by mlc9852
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