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Massachusetts Should Close Down OpenDocument
FOX News ^ | September 28, 2005 | James Prendergast

Posted on 09/29/2005 8:52:01 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

The broader media usually take little interest in public policy debates about technology, but they’re missing a big story in Massachusetts.

The technology trades, blogs and industry are buzzing about a monumental policy shift in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Officials in the state have proposed a new policy that mandates that every state technology system use only applications designed around OpenDocument file formats.

Such a policy might seem like something that should concern only a small group of technology professionals, but in fact the implications are staggering and far-reaching. The policy promises to burden taxpayers with new costs and to disrupt how state agencies interact with citizens, businesses and organizations.

Worse, the policy represents an attack on market-based competition, which in turn will hurt innovation. The state has a disaster in the making.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: brassbuzard; microsloth; microsoft; microsoftshill; opensource; paidshill; redmondlapdog; redmondmalware; redmondpayroll; redmondshill; twobitweasel
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Editorial on FOX News weighs in on the controversial decision by MA to switch all their systems to an obscure and untested data format.
1 posted on 09/29/2005 8:52:03 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ShadowAce; N3WBI3; Bush2000; HAL9000; for-q-clinton; softwarecreator; Incorrigible; Mr. K; ...

I agree with the author.


2 posted on 09/29/2005 8:57:02 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

The only harm that will be done in adopting these standards is edging Microsoft out of it's efforts to create a monopoly. It is not obscure - in fact, IBM is a major player in this standards move...and many other major corporations are in it also. In fact, Microsoft is the only major player that is not signing up for it. Too bad - so sad, my kids used to say.


3 posted on 09/29/2005 8:59:20 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: Golden Eagle

Well we all know a MS whore such as yoursel would agree with this.


4 posted on 09/29/2005 8:59:43 PM PDT by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toilet)
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To: LiteKeeper

The only one doing any excluding in this case is Microsoft: they exclude themselves by refusing to implement ODF.


5 posted on 09/29/2005 9:00:57 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Let's see, a document format that can be read by anything, written by anything, is fully supported by free software packages, and can be supported by any conceivable commercial offering. Yes, I can already see the skyrocketing costs. /braindead
6 posted on 09/29/2005 9:02:20 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Let's play "follow the money":

From the article:

----Jim Prendergast is executive director of Americans for Technology Leadership.---




http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Technology_Leadership

Americans for Technology Leadership was founded by Jonathan Zuck in 1999 as a "grassroots" organisations for concerned consumers who want less regulation in the technology sector. It also campaigns on general tech issues such as spam.

It has been frequently described as a Microsoft front group. [1] (http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/column/dangillmor/archives/000421.shtml) [2] (http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010823.html) [3] (http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/blog/computers/tanks.html)

ATL's domain name, techleadership.org, is registered to the Association for Competitive Technology. The site is hosted by Thomas E. Stock and Thomas J. Synhorst's LLC, TSE Enterprises. Synhorst is a founding member of the DCI Group, a Washington DC-based strategic consulting and lobbying firm which has counted Microsoft as a prime client for a number of years.

Joshua Micah Marshall reports in the July 17, 2000 American Prospect: "[W]hile Microsoft did confirm that Synhorst's DCI had been retained as a consultant, it insisted that another DCI employee, Tim Hyde, and not Synhorst, was handling the company's account. In any event, the web of connections among DCI, ATL, and Microsoft is striking. While working for Microsoft, DCI has also provided consulting services to ATL. And Josh Mathis, the man [ACT president Jonathan] Zuck installed as ATL's executive director, is also an employee of DCI, who still works out of the same Washington, D.C., office as Synhorst and Hyde."
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Pro-Microsoft letter campaign discovered

In August 2001 the Los Angeles Times reported that a ATL was behind a "carefully orchestrated nationwide campaign to create the impression of a surging grass-roots movement" behind Microsoft. "The campaign, orchestrated by a group partly funded by Microsoft, goes to great lengths so that the letters appear to be spontaneous expressions from ordinary citizens. Letters sent in the last month are printed on personalized stationery using different wording, color and typefaces--details that distinguish those efforts from common lobbying tactics that go on in politics every day. Experts said there's little precedent for such an effort supported by a company defending itself against government accusations of illegal behavior."

According to the Times, the campaign was discovered when Utah's Attorney General at the time Mark Shurtleff received letters "purportedly written by at least two dead people ... imploring him to go easy on Microsoft Corp. for its conduct as a monopoly."

Eighteen state's attorneys general were joining with the Justice Department in its anti-trust suit against Microsoft. Iowa's Attorney General Tom Miller reported receiving more than 50 letters in support of Microsoft during the summer of 2001. "No two letters are identical, but the giveaway lies in the phrasing," the Times wrote. "Four Iowa letters included this sentence: 'Strong competition and innovation have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry.' Three others use exactly these words: "If the future is going to be as successful as the recent past, the technology sector must remain free from excess regulation."

Dewey Square Group and DCI Group sibling firm DCI/New Media are credited with assisting Microsoft with its "grass-roots" campaign, according to the Times.

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http://slate.msn.com/id/1004941/

Who's Behind the Pro-Microsoft Poll?
Rob Walker
Posted Monday, March 27, 2000, at 7:36 AM PT

Settlement maneuvering notwithstanding, Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson still looks set to make formal what everyone already assumes--his conclusion that Microsoft has violated antitrust laws. Once he has done this, perhaps this week, he will request a remedy proposal from the Department of Justice and the 19 state attorneys general involved in the case. The involvement of a bunch of attorneys general in an election year is going to mean that public opinion could actually count for something in hatching that proposal.

So what does the public think? One answer surfaced late last week in the form of a poll. As reported by Bloomberg, 67 percent of those polled said the antitrust suit is a waste of taxpayer dollars, 55 percent said Microsoft has benefited consumers, 80 percent said the case ought to be settled out of court, and only 16 percent said the company should be broken up. USA Today's headline over this story was "Poll: MS Case a Waste of Money."

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This poll was conducted on behalf of Americans for Technology Leadership. I had never heard of Americans for Technology Leadership, and a search on Yahoo led me to an October 29, 1999, press release announcing the organization's debut. The release said Americans for Technology Leadership was "a new grassroots coalition." It also cited an earlier poll "presented by" the coalition, which found that "63 percent of Americans familiar with the DOJ suit against Microsoft believe the government should not be pursuing the case and 77 percent feel that it is an example of wasteful government spending."

There was also a link to the group's home page. On the home page was a link to a list of the group's founders. And if you haven't already guessed, there on the list of founders of the "grassroots" organization, is the Microsoft Corporation.

So, uh, America has spoken.

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I guess we know where the butter for his bread comes from.

And that took me less than 5 minutes to find out.


7 posted on 09/29/2005 9:02:25 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle
Worse, the policy represents an attack on market-based competition

Hardly. Having a checklist of required features is not an attack on market-based competition.

The proposed policy is also puzzling and arbitrary in its approach to Adobe’s PDF format (search). The policy acknowledges that PDF falls outside the “open” format mandate, but grants PDF an exception so that agencies can continue to use it.

PDF is an open format. Anyone who cares to implement the format within their application is able to do so, because Adobe has provided detailed specifications describing the format.

8 posted on 09/29/2005 9:02:55 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Golden Eagle
Obscure and untested?

Any new format is obscure and untested.

TCP/IP was obscure and untested at one time.

HTML was obscure and untested at one time.

Actually, let's just call it obscure. I have tested several OpenDocument formats and they work just fine.

OpenDocument is simply a set of open XML based formats for word processors, spreadsheets, presentation software, and other productivity software.

As it is open and XML based, it is trivial for any productivity software to support it. I mean every word processor out there supports HTML.

Microsoft Office supports multiple document formats. I don't know if Microsoft submitted its own XML based file formats to the OASIS standards organization for consideration, but all Microsoft has to do is support OpenDoc.

OpenDoc is something that has been needed for some time. Many people simply don't understand why an HTML web page can be viewed in any web browser, but after 25 years of PCs, office documents have a myriad of different formats.

9 posted on 09/29/2005 9:03:22 PM PDT by magellan ( by)
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To: packrat35

And it appears all you have is typical open source name calling in response to logic as displayed in my posts and in the FOX article. I support other companies as well, that are threatened by open source, such as Apple who is apparently also shut out by the mandate.


10 posted on 09/29/2005 9:03:30 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
A Kennedy has to have a financial connection to OpenDocument file formats.
11 posted on 09/29/2005 9:03:32 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: flashbunny

LOL

12 posted on 09/29/2005 9:04:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Petronski
The only one doing any excluding in this case is Microsoft: they exclude themselves by refusing to implement ODF.

They already support several "open" formats, and are opening their next format up completely royalty free. This is a slight modification of a competitor's format, nothing else.

13 posted on 09/29/2005 9:07:04 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

One of the founding members of the author's organization, Americans for Technology Leadership, is...Microsoft!

http://www.techleadership.org/about/

Not exactly an independent view.


14 posted on 09/29/2005 9:07:32 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Petronski

and let's wait to see how long it takes for Tin Turkey to address the issue.

"It doesn't matter that he runs a microsoft backed organization! At least he isn't a commie using linux!!!!"


15 posted on 09/29/2005 9:07:37 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle; MikeinIraq; N3WBI3
I agree with the author.

There's a shock. God forbid that actual competition should edge out Microsoft's tyrannical hold on the market.

Nevermind that it's Microsoft's own stupid fault for not embracing the OpenDocument Format. *snicker*

16 posted on 09/29/2005 9:07:45 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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but they’re missing a big story in Massachusetts

Off topic, but did anyone hear Bennett slam fat drunken Ted on the murder of Mary Jo on FNC tonight?

17 posted on 09/29/2005 9:08:01 PM PDT by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the North as an example of a failed welfare state.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Some have suggested that the policy would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (search).

Now THERE's a reach if I ever saw one - - phew! That grasping-at-straws statement brought a smirk to my face so I decided to peruse the article for the other side of the story - - you know, statements from people who support Massachusetts' decision? Oops. There IS no "other side of the story " presented.

18 posted on 09/29/2005 9:09:05 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Golden Eagle
But for now, the policy simply promises enormous and unnecessary migration costs to Massachusetts’ taxpayers.

Microsoft spreading FUD through Foxnews.

Jim Prendergast is executive director of Americans for Technology Leadership.

Americans for Technology Leadership was founded by Jonathan Zuck in 1999 as a "grassroots" organisations for concerned consumers who want less regulation in the technology sector. It also campaigns on general tech issues such as spam. It has been frequently described as a Microsoft front group.

In August 2001 the Los Angeles Times reported that a ATL was behind a "carefully orchestrated nationwide campaign to create the impression of a surging grass-roots movement" behind Microsoft. "The campaign, orchestrated by a group partly funded by Microsoft, goes to great lengths so that the letters appear to be spontaneous expressions from ordinary citizens. Letters sent in the last month are printed on personalized stationery using different wording, color and typefaces--details that distinguish those efforts from common lobbying tactics that go on in politics every day. Experts said there's little precedent for such an effort supported by a company defending itself against government accusations of illegal behavior."

According to the Times, the campaign was discovered when Utah's Attorney General at the time Mark Shurtleff received letters "purportedly written by at least two dead people ... imploring him to go easy on Microsoft Corp. for its conduct as a monopoly."

Eighteen state's attorneys general were joining with the Justice Department in its anti-trust suit against Microsoft. Iowa's Attorney General Tom Miller reported receiving more than 50 letters in support of Microsoft during the summer of 2001. "No two letters are identical, but the giveaway lies in the phrasing," the Times wrote. "Four Iowa letters included this sentence: 'Strong competition and innovation have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry.' Three others use exactly these words: "If the future is going to be as successful as the recent past, the technology sector must remain free from excess regulation."

Microsoft can participate in future MA technology contracts, they just can't lock the state's data into their proprietary formats and try to blackmail taxpayers into their senseless product replacement cycle by threatening withdrawl of support.

19 posted on 09/29/2005 9:09:07 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Golden Eagle
Anybody else remember the US government directive that all networking was going to have to conform to the ISO protocols? I think that DECnet Phase IV was as close to a commercial implementation that anyone ever got.

This goes back more than a decade, but I remember getting a call from a client at AT&T, asking me if I knew of any X implemtations that would run on the OSI protocols...

Mark

20 posted on 09/29/2005 9:09:39 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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