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Birthright Citizenship Under Attack
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09/29/05 | MARY LOU PICKEL, EUNICE MOSCOSO

Posted on 09/29/2005 12:16:11 AM PDT by Hushpuppie

Silvia Moreno snuck across the U.S. border from Mexico and made it to Atlanta to join her husband last year.

When she gave birth this year, she named her daughter Scarlett, after Scarlett O'Hara.

Moreno, 26, had watched "Gone With the Wind" and was inspired by the Atlanta heroine.

"She worked so hard. She overcame adversity to survive," said Moreno, who wants her daughter to develop the same strength.

Scarlett Alvarado Moreno, 6 months, is a U.S. citizen because she was born here; her mother, father, and 4-year-old brother are illegal immigrants.

Millions of families like Scarlett's will be the focus of a hearing today before a U.S. House subcommittee in Washington to discuss birthright citizenship, dual citizenship and its effect on national sovereignty.

As President Bush opens the debate on a temporary worker program that could allow immigrant laborers to come into the United States, the issue of what happens to their children has come to the forefront.

Although revoking the birthright guarantee is not likely to be part of Congress' immigration reform agenda this fall, there are increasing signs lawmakers are thinking about altering a privilege grounded in common law and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

The proposals come in a post-9/11 time of increasing suspicion toward illegal immigrants. Several bills have been introduced.

Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) wants to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to limit automatic citizenship at birth to children of U.S. citizens and lawful residents. Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) introduced a constitutional amendment that also would limit birthright citizenship. Such an amendment would require ratification by three-fourths of the states.

'Anchor babies'

A proposal by Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who heads a 90-member caucus pushing to tighten immigration laws, would deny citizenship to U.S.-born children of temporary immigrant workers.

Tancredo said the provision is vital because temporary workers would not want to leave after their visas expire if their children are U.S. citizens, or so-called anchor babies.

Moreno, of Atlanta, thinks it's unjust to deny citizenship to children born in the United States because their parents, although illegal, work hard.

"People work so much, and they give their youth to this country," Moreno said.

Moreno wanted Scarlett to be an American because with the blue American passport, "the doors of the world are open to her," she said.

Mexicans have a harder time getting tourist visas to see the world, she said.

Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a national group that lobbies to reduce illegal immigration, said the lure of U.S. citizenship for children is a "huge incentive" for people to come to the United States illegally because it opens the door to many social benefits.

Also, once they reach 21, the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants can petition for their parents' residency. Family reunification often is cited as a reason for amnesty proposals.

There were 6.3 million illegal immigrant families in the United States in 2004, according to a study released in June by the Pew Hispanic Center. Most of them — 59 percent — do not have children, the study said.

But nearly one-third of families headed by illegal immigrants do have children who are U.S. citizens, the study said.

Immigrant advocates and Hispanic groups say finding work is the major motivation for illegal immigration.

"The only thing that this kind of change gets you ... is stateless people, which doesn't solve any problem," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights organization.

"This is not a matter of immigration policy, this is a matter of changing who we are fundamentally as a nation," she said.

The United States grants citizenship to every child born in the United States with the exception of children of occupying forces and foreign diplomats, who keep the citizenship of their home country, said Peter J. Spiro, an international law professor at the University of Georgia School of Law who is testifying at today's hearing.

Spiro said that proposals to change the birthright citizenship have been around since the mid-1990s, but several court decisions have upheld the citizenship.

"It's part now of our entrenched constitutional tradition that all children born in the territory of the United States are deemed citizens at birth," he said.

Ides Mercado, 19, who said she came from Honduras five years ago on a visa, warned of consequences if the birthright provision is revoked.

"There will be a lot of illegals here if they don't let the children be citizens," she said as she pushed a stroller with her 7-month-old daughter through Plaza Fiesta on Buford Highway in DeKalb County.

Daisy Montoya Becerra, 24, of Atlanta has one son born here, one son born in Mexico and another child on the way.

She's glad her younger son has U.S. citizenship.

"If he weren't a citizen, they'd take away Medicaid," she said.

She's also happy her younger son will be able to cross the border freely instead of having to slip across with a smuggler.

"With papers, he can come and go easily," she said.


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To: Hushpuppie
This goes to the heart of the dilemma for President Bush, there are millions of children citizens and how does one toss out the parent(s) and leave the children citizens here.

Congress is the one who has overseen an illegal invasion and it is they who need to take action, as well as be held responsible, the fact they have not and do not cannot be ignored.
41 posted on 09/29/2005 4:41:54 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: msnimje
"Here is my plan,

If you have no ancestors who were in the "New World" in the year 1776, your children are not entitled to citizenship at birth."

If I may borrow a bit from your About Page, you seem to have been "Looking for intelligence in all the wrong places."

Even my first girl friend at college, whose ancestor had signed the Mayflower Compact, would find your post to be the maundering of a pro-immigration apologist.

The issue isn't the "New World", it is whether one is both a legal immigrant and has fully and completely accepted the American way of life. To a disurbing level, all too many Mexicans, Muslims, ad nauseam, do not accept the historic American way of life.

As proof of the seditious, if not outright treasonous beliefs of such immigrants I respectfully bring to your attention the La Raza racist whackos among the Mexicans in America (and among Mexican officials, too!).

And we can't ignore any longer the Muslims who are commanded by their faith to force Sharia Law on America.

Buh bye, anchor babies! And I shall refrain from expounding on the fact that all too many of the anchor baby population are what are technically known as "bastards".

And as such, they are statistically certain to be a greater burden on America.

Isn't Liberalism grand?
42 posted on 09/29/2005 5:59:12 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


43 posted on 09/29/2005 9:15:14 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: clee1
Yup. WAY past time to get rid of the "anchor baby" statute.

Especially because it is unconstitutional by the original intent of the 14th Amendment.

44 posted on 09/29/2005 9:20:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Hushpuppie
No more anchor babies!!!!
45 posted on 09/29/2005 9:20:17 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the states wherein they reside." -- 14th Amendment of the U.C. Constitution, 1868

Clearly you do not understand the distinction between being "subject to the jurisdiction" and being within the jurisdiction.

46 posted on 09/29/2005 9:21:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: msnimje

I think that I qualify under that plan. Some of my ancestors who were here at that time may have been fugitives from the law, however. Does that pose a problem? (It's not like the stole a lot of cattle...)


47 posted on 09/29/2005 9:24:44 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Hushpuppie; getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; gubamyster; dennisw
America's Anchor Baby Syndrome

* * *

The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans

* * *

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster: When will we value our national interest?

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FADE TO BROWN

* * *

Until 1965, people admitted to the country legally had no automatic right to bring their families; skilled professionals came before wives and children.

The new law gave the top preference to unmarried adult children of US citizens but the very next preference category was spouses, minor children and unmarried adult children of immigrants.

This was a huge change.

Under the old law, only citizens had the right to sponsor immigrants.

Now, as soon as he got here, any newcomer could send for his family.

This is what produced the chain migration that has emptied entire Mexican villages.


48 posted on 09/29/2005 9:26:38 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Hushpuppie; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; ...
As the nation sleeps, watches CNN and the brush fires in California - illegal alien parents of ANCHOR BABIES CASH IN . .

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Millions of families (who are illegal aliens) like Scarlett's will be the focus of a hearing today before a U.S. House subcommittee in Washington to discuss birthright citizenship, dual citizenship and its effect on national sovereignty.

As President Bush opens the debate on a temporary worker program that could allow immigrant laborers to come into the United States, the issue of what happens to their children has come to the forefront.


49 posted on 09/29/2005 9:30:38 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: pcottraux

Still a No.

A child should be an American citizen if one of his parents was an American citizen at the time he was born. That's it. Period.


50 posted on 09/29/2005 9:33:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: msnimje
If you have no ancestors who were in the "New World" in the year 1776, your children are not entitled to citizenship at birth.

Oh, you're letting too much riff-raff in that way.... why not insist that one must have ancestors who were here before Bacon's Rebellion, or before the Glorious Revolution (to keep out the royalist riff-raff). < /snarkasm>

51 posted on 09/29/2005 9:35:34 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: clee1

Actually it was done in the 1996 immigration reform law.

At that time the objective was to make the illegals go home and take the minor child with them. When the child was 18, it could return as an adult citizen.

This is PURE AJC botching the legal reporting.

What happened post reform was that the immigration lawyers started up with the BS "hardship" return cases. Baby needs medical care, the child is ADD, or some other excuse.

You also see these "anecdote" stories when some immigration lawyer sends out a press release to try and get free PR and do PR pressure on the immigration service.


52 posted on 09/29/2005 9:44:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: justavoter
Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) wants to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to limit automatic citizenship at birth to children of U.S. citizens and lawful residents. Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) introduced a constitutional amendment that also would limit birthright citizenship. Such an amendment would require ratification by three-fourths of the states.

The Deal bill sounds like a reasonable solution; the Foley bill sounds like a pipe dream. Currently, there are two legal exceptions to those granted citizenship at birth: (1)Children of those born here on official diplomatic postings and (2)Children of those born to invading or occupying enemy combatants.

The simple and quick solution is to add a third category: (3)Childern of those born to those who are illegally present in the country. In many cases, there is an overlap between category (2) and (3) anyway, whether it be a Al Qaida cell or a reconquistadora La Raza type.

53 posted on 09/29/2005 9:46:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Little Ray
A child should be an American citizen if one of his parents was an American citizen at the time he was born. That's it. Period.

That works for me. Although I'd also be inclined to add children of green card holders as an incentive to be legal.

54 posted on 09/29/2005 9:47:01 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Little Ray
A child should be an American citizen if one of his parents was an American citizen at the time he was born. That's it. Period.

That works for me. Although I'd also be inclined to add children of green card holders as an incentive to be legal.

55 posted on 09/29/2005 9:47:12 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: justavoter

Did your mother come here illegally?

Where was your father born? You don't say. Go back to DU troll.


56 posted on 09/29/2005 9:50:28 AM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: Carry_Okie
"The only thing that this kind of change gets you ... is stateless people, which doesn't solve any problem," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights organization.

It is not the obligation of the United States to pass laws to accomodate the convenience of illegal immigrants. This problem could be easily addressed by Mexico granting citizenship to children born abroad of Mexican parents. They seem to have no problem issuing them Consular cards.

57 posted on 09/29/2005 9:50:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Hushpuppie

It's not the birthright citizenship that's the problem, it's the unconstitutional welfare "rights" hung from it.

If you're born here, you're an American - period.

Get rid of the welfare state.


58 posted on 09/29/2005 9:54:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: CatoRenasci

here is how the illegals don't get citizenship will work.

The democrats and the immigration lawyer lobby will demand that illegal born children be given legal residence for "humanitarian medical birth" reasons. The illegal will not get citizenship but a green card.

The green card will then be converted to citizenship after five years.

Immigration lawyers will figure out a way to make this work for them. IOW a $2,000 case has just become a $5,000 case. (per person)

We have to think this out 10 or 20 steps ahead because eliminating the anchor babies before did not work.

(also BEWARE the "dream act"! That is another back door for illegals)


59 posted on 09/29/2005 9:55:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: clee1
Birthright Citizenship

Anchor Baby has a stronger visceral appeal and points up the abuse of Constitutional intent. This ought to be a major issue in '06 and '08. Would require a Constitutional amendment to repair and restore intent.

60 posted on 09/29/2005 9:55:35 AM PDT by RightWhale (28 Sep 05 -- first snowflake --where's FEMA?)
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