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It's better to cry wolf now than to wait until the oil has run out
The Guardian ^ | September 27, 2005 | George Monbiot

Posted on 09/27/2005 9:16:23 PM PDT by eks41

No one knows how much is left, but humankind can't wait any longer before coming up with alternatives

Are global oil supplies about to peak? Are they, in other words, about to reach their maximum and then go into decline? There is a simple answer to this question: no one has the faintest idea.

Consider these two statements: 1. "Last year Saudi Aramco made credible claims that as much as 500bn-700bn barrels remain to be discovered in the kingdom." 2. "Saudi Arabia clearly seems to be nearing or at its peak output and cannot materially grow its oil production."

The first comes from a report by Energy Intelligence, a consultancy used by the major oil companies. The second comes from a book by Matthew Simmons, an energy investor who advises the Bush administration. Whom should we believe? I have now read 4,000 pages of reports on global oil supply, and I know less about it than I did before I started. The only firm conclusion I have reached is that the people sitting on the world's reserves are liars.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Russia; US: Washington; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: arab; kuwait; oil; opec; resourses; saudi; usa

1 posted on 09/27/2005 9:16:26 PM PDT by eks41
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To: eks41

I guess the author has never heard of the price mechanism.


2 posted on 09/27/2005 9:20:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

The problem is not in price mechanism. The problem is that OPEC countries lie about their supplies.


3 posted on 09/27/2005 9:24:54 PM PDT by eks41
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To: eks41

"The only firm conclusion I have reached is that the people sitting on the world's reserves are liars."

There is oil everywhere. We just need to get to it.
Wormer, he's a dead man!
Marmalard, dead!
Niedermeyer....dead!
Chavez...
Khadafi...
Assad...


4 posted on 09/27/2005 9:25:15 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
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To: eks41

The problem is not too little oil it is too much. That is why this country is addicted to Mid East Oil. It's cheap. As the cheap oil gets used up, the rising price will bring make domestic and alternative energy sources cost effective. The Free Market will take care of this problem. But I guess a Socialist Rag like the Guardian would never understand basic economics.


5 posted on 09/27/2005 9:29:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Don't get stuck on stupid now, reporters)
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To: eks41

Hi prices encourage developement of alternatives. Unreliability of OPEC supplies also encourages development of alternative engergy sources.


6 posted on 09/27/2005 9:30:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

It is better to deal with fiction than fact, just in case. Indeed it is better to say you have read the Guardian rather than wasting your money.


7 posted on 09/27/2005 9:30:42 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: eks41
From a 1997 Business Week article
Experts have been underestimating oil reserves since 1874, when Pennsylvania's state geologist direly warned that ''the U.S. [has] enough petroleum to keep its kerosene lamps burning for only four years.'' Later experts put the date of exhaustion in the 1920s, then the 1940s. In 1972, the Club of Rome said the world had only 20 to 31 years of known oil reserves. Yet today, measured reserves are higher than ever.

8 posted on 09/27/2005 9:34:05 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

don't let the peak oil crowd hear you say that!


9 posted on 09/27/2005 9:37:53 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Bob

the Saudis just doubled their estimates.


10 posted on 09/27/2005 9:40:27 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: eks41

I cringe every time I see the word "humankind" in an article.


11 posted on 09/27/2005 9:41:08 PM PDT by Firefigher NC (Volunteer firefighters- standing tall, serving proud in the tradition of Ben Franklin.)
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To: All

Well, folks, it appears that the Peak Oil Myth rides again! No matter how many times me and my compatriots point to history, no matter how many times it is pointed out that the free market will solve the problem just fine on its own, and no matter how many times the date for the "peak" has to be pushed back, a section of the population still seems to buy into it.

Did we run out of wood before we switched our industrial fuel to coal?

Did we switch to oil because we ran out of coal?

Of course we didn't. And the market managed to do it all just fine without any need to peddle a Global Peak Wood theory or a Global Peak Coal theory. Despite the noted absence of government intervention to bully the consumer into "conservation" or subsidies for discovering alternatives to either coal or wood, industry and the market at large did all the legwork all by itself.


12 posted on 09/27/2005 9:43:26 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: flashbunny
don't let the peak oil crowd hear you say that!

I've been hearing that we're going to run out of oil 'in 20 years' since the early 1960's. At that point, my biology teacher was telling us that we had already seriously damaged the planet, possibly beyond saving it.

13 posted on 09/27/2005 9:48:06 PM PDT by Bob
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To: flashbunny

They never give up, do they?

It makes me wonder if we had the ancestors of these people howling about Peak Coal and Peak Wood sometime in the past.


14 posted on 09/27/2005 9:51:00 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Bob
I can remember sitting in a economics class in the mid 70's a man came to give a lecture he had a computer that proved that the world would completely exhaust its oil reserve by the year 2000. It also demonstrated that no alternative fuel except nuclear could take over the worlds energy needs in the amount of time that we had to deal with the "crisis". Funny; not one nuclear power plant has come on line since that time.
15 posted on 09/27/2005 10:01:15 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Bob

At that point, my biology teacher was telling us that we had already seriously damaged the planet, possibly beyond saving it.


On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness
Arthur Guiterman



The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls
Of mastodons, are billiard balls.

The sword of Charlemagne the Just
Is ferric oxide, known as rust.

The grizzly bear whose potent hug
Was feared by all, is now a rug.

Great Caesar’s bust is on my shelf,
And I don’t feel so well myself.


16 posted on 09/27/2005 10:06:15 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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