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Some Reports of N.O. Violence Exaggerated
Associated Press ^ | Sep 27 | MICHELLE ROBERTS

Posted on 09/27/2005 11:36:58 AM PDT by andyk

NEW ORLEANS

On Sept. 1, with desperate Hurricane Katrina evacuees crammed into the convention center, Police Chief Eddie Compass reported: "We have individuals who are getting raped; we have individuals who are getting beaten."

Five days later, he told Oprah Winfrey that babies were being raped. On the same show, Mayor Ray Nagin warned: "They have people standing out there, have been in that frickin' Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people."

The ugliest reports _ children with slit throats, women dragged off and raped, corpses piling up in the basement _ soon became a searing image of post-Katrina New Orleans.

The stories were told by residents trapped inside the Superdome and convention center and were repeated by public officials. Many news organizations, including The Associated Press, carried the witness accounts and official pronouncements, and in some cases later repeated the claims as fact, without attribution.

But now, a month after the chaos subsided, police are re-examining the reports and finding that many of them have little or no basis in fact.

They have no official reports of rape and no eyewitnesses to sexual assault. The state Department of Health and Hospitals counted 10 dead at the Superdome and four at the convention center. Only two of those are believed to have been murdered.

One of those victims _ found at the Superdome _ appears to have been killed elsewhere before being brought to the stadium, said Bob Johannessen, the agency spokesman.

"It was a chaotic time for the city. Now that we've had a chance to reflect back on that situation, we're able to say right now that things were not the way they appeared," said police Capt. Marlon Defillo.

Sally Forman, a spokeswoman for Nagin, said the mayor was relying on others for his information about conditions at the evacuation sites. "He was listening to officials, trusting that information they were providing was accurate," she said.

To be sure, conditions at both sites were chaotic. Water was rising around the Superdome, home to 20,000 evacuees. Toilets were backing up, garbage was rotting, fights were breaking out. Food was in short supply at the convention center, where about 19,000 people took shelter from the rising waters. The temperature was climbing. The elderly and very young were desperate for food, water and medicine.

Police said they saw muzzle flashes at the convention center, and a National Guard member was shot in the leg when an evacuee tried to take his gun.

A week after the floodwaters poured into the city, an Arkansas National Guardsman told The Times-Picayune of New Orleans that soldiers had discovered 30 to 40 bodies inside a freezer in the convention center's food area. Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the newspaper that some of the dead appeared to have met violent ends, including "a 7-year-old with her throat cut."

When the convention center was swept, however, no such pile of bodies was found.

Lt. Col. Jacques Thibodeaux of the Louisiana National Guard said reports of violence at the Superdome and the convention center were overblown. He was head of security at the Superdome and led the 1,000 military police and infantrymen who went in to secure the center on Sept. 2.

"The incidents were highly exaggerated" _ the result of fear and hopelessness, he said. "For the amount of the people in the situation, it was a very stable environment."

Thibodeaux said his guard unit received no reports of rape.

Bill Waldron, a homicide detective from Florida in New Orleans for a murder trial, was stuck in the convention center until Sept. 1. He said he saw a couple of fights between young men, but "no murders, no rapes." He said that he did see people dying, but that those deaths were most likely a result of the heat and lack of water.

"People were wanting just some type of authority to come in and say, `Hey, this is what's going to happen,'" Waldron said. "People were scared."

New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said officials at the morgue in St. Gabriel have identified four apparent homicide victims from the city. All were shot and all were adults. Police arrested one person on suspicion of attempted sexual assault but received no official reports of rape.

Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, cautioned that it might be too soon to say whether there really were rapes at the evacuation sites. Because the evacuees and any perpetrators have been scattered across the country by Katrina, and now Hurricane Rita, victims may come forward later, she said.

"It is extremely difficult to get good statistics about rape under normal circumstances, and these are certainly not normal circumstances," she said.

Bill Ellis, a folklorist at Pennsylvania State University, said rumors in an environment like that at the evacuation centers are to be expected, given the frightening circumstances and paucity of authoritative information.

"Rumors become improvised news. You become your own anchorman," he said.

The chaos also seemed to affect some reporters and editors, said Kelly McBride, who teaches ethics to journalists at the Poynter Institute, a journalism research and education center in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"You get so hung up as a reporter on what the big picture is that you use generalizations that become untrue," McBride said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: katrina; mediabias; mediaistheenemy; medialies; neworleans
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Oh, thank goodness there were ONLY two murders

Two murders is like a slow week down in New Orleans.

41 posted on 09/27/2005 1:18:51 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: andyk

Nancy Grace was particuarly "outraged" by all this...


42 posted on 09/27/2005 1:22:09 PM PDT by donozark (Restraining orders are just another way of saying I love you.)
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To: rdb3
Sure did! At FR and elsewhere, bought it hook, line, and sinker.

It was amazing to see so many freepers get duped.

43 posted on 09/27/2005 1:23:28 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: rdb3
It was exaggerated. Imagine that.

And on top of that, it was the behavior of blacks that was exaggerated. Liberals always find it easy to point to 'primitive' blacks who obviously need their attention and largess to improve themselves. How many accounts of resettled evacuees gone wild were posted right here on FR? I personally read of a white family who had taken in evacuees and was murdered in their beds. I knew at the time it was BS, but the racebaiters and hate mongers of both sides are always at work - this wretched reporting just fed the flames.

If I had a turn of mind that lent itself to conspiracies, I'd almost think it was done by the press on purpose.

44 posted on 09/27/2005 1:26:10 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: rdb3
But it appears that if the MSM report confirms one's worldview here, it's automatically legitimate. No questions asked.

Yeah.. well that scenario was repeated in spades around here during Katrina.

45 posted on 09/27/2005 1:26:21 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: pepperhead
It was amazing to see so many freepers get duped.

While some were duped there is a frigntningly vocal contingent on here that wanted the stories to be true to confirm their racist worldview.

46 posted on 09/27/2005 1:31:02 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: andyk

Who are we going to believe? The MSM or the people who were actually there.
And BTW, why would the behaviour of these savages in NOLA be a reflection on the Bush administration?


47 posted on 09/27/2005 1:34:38 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Oh, thank goodness there were ONLY two murders. Well then it was an experiment in human kindness and generosity at the super dome.

Cute. Your smarminess isn't fooling anyone. If it was exaggereated, it was exaggerated.


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48 posted on 09/27/2005 1:35:57 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: andyk
He said that he did see people dying, but that those deaths were most likely a result of the heat and lack of water.

So whom is responsible for providing these people with water and safe temperatures? Mayor Nagin...

49 posted on 09/27/2005 1:36:16 PM PDT by ez (What went wrong...Blanco kept the Red Cross out while Nagin kept the refugees in.)
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To: BnBlFlag
The MSM or the people who were actually there.

People in New Orleans said it was exaggerated. Now who do you believe?


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50 posted on 09/27/2005 1:39:25 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: radiohead; pepperhead; Smogger
We had six deaths: four from natural causes, one suicide, and one overdose.

There were no homicides.


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51 posted on 09/27/2005 1:41:56 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: frogjerk

"I think he was in Baton Rouge...Who knows?"

He was in the city.


52 posted on 09/27/2005 1:48:29 PM PDT by oldcomputerguy
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To: oldcomputerguy
"I think he was in Baton Rouge...Who knows?"

He was in the city.

Even if he was, did he really make a difference? It would have probably been better if just never showed up.

53 posted on 09/27/2005 1:50:45 PM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Smogger
"there is a frigntningly vocal contingent on here that wanted the stories to be true to confirm their racist world view"...

There was very little coming out of New Orleans to dispel
"their racist world view"...
54 posted on 09/27/2005 1:56:49 PM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: Phosgood
"their racist world view"...

That's what it was.


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55 posted on 09/27/2005 1:57:55 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: rdb3
And believe it or not, I'm not pointing this out to use as a bludgeon to hit anyone over the head.

Oh, I didn't think you were bludgeoning anyone. The fact is, I did believe much of what was reported with regard to the superdome. It was too incredible to believe, yes, but it was repeated over and over, by every news organization, on both ends of the spectrum.

My point is that since we all are normally circumspect on what comes out of the MSM, we should be this way consistently. But it appears that if the MSM report confirms one's worldview here, it's automatically legitimate. No questions asked.

There's no doubt that it's tempting to believe sources inasmuch as they validate one's own beliefs. It's one thing for me to doubt the MSM's characterization of Republicans, but it seems another level altogether to doubt the MSM's reporting of what should be hard facts. I know, every story should be based on hard facts, but reporting 10 times the amount of known casualties seems in a completely different league than quoting someone out of context, for example.

It's harder for me to think that I need to filter through a story that claims that 20 or 30 people were killed in the superdome, than it is to think I need to filter through a story that claims that Republicans want to kill kids and old people, and pollute the air and water. The former deals with ostensible hard facts, and the latter deals with characterizations and personal opinions that are presented as fact.

Remember a month or so ago when those thugs in Seattle attacked two servicemembers? The automatic assumption was that the thugs were black, and the victims, who were servicemen, were white.

I remember that very well. I remember being very angry at whoever did it, and suffering from my own cognitive dissonance. I knew that regardless of the race(s) of the servicemen, it was a terrible crime. At the same time, I felt that the first story I read was incomplete because races were excluded.
56 posted on 09/27/2005 1:58:41 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk
It's harder for me to think that I need to filter through a story that claims that 20 or 30 people were killed in the superdome, than it is to think I need to filter through a story that claims that Republicans want to kill kids and old people, and pollute the air and water. The former deals with ostensible hard facts, and the latter deals with characterizations and personal opinions that are presented as fact.

That's understandable. But remember we're talking about the MSM here. Their whole raison d'etre is to lie, obfuscate, and enhance the Left at any and all cost. What I suggest is that after hearing them, just hold up a minute. We're dealing with liars here, and everything may not appear as it seems coming from them.

They have proven time and time again that they are not to be trusted. That's sad, but nevertheless true.

I wouldn't have believed those airliners slammed into the WTC at first if I didn't see the second strike in real time. I don't trust the MSM, like I don't trust Democrats, at all.


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57 posted on 09/27/2005 2:10:43 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: rdb3

It isn't meant to fool anyone. Not everything is a grand conspiracy against you.


58 posted on 09/27/2005 2:21:44 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: kjo

What's more insulting is the MSMs excuse for not showing the Big Picture: that their audience isn't smart enough to see it (kinda like those Magic Eye posters). So they zoom in on the parts they want you to see and don't show the rest, assuring you it's all you need to know. Every day they promise you chicken and show up with feathers... and think you won't know the difference.

Well, thanks to AlGore's internet, anyone can find out what they need to know or want to know...Big Picture, Microscopic Picture and everything between...without a TV, radio, newspaper or magazine. People are finding facts and stories that the MSM has grown too lazy, corrupt or indifferent to provide. That's why Dan Rather is crying.


59 posted on 09/27/2005 2:22:23 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
It isn't meant to fool anyone. Not everything is a grand conspiracy against you.

Did I say or infer that it was, sapphire?


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60 posted on 09/27/2005 2:23:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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