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Dispute over evolution goes on trial in U.S. court
Baltimore Sun ^ | September 26, 2005 | Arthur Hirsch

Posted on 09/26/2005 1:53:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

A Pennsylvania school district's use of "intelligent design" in its high school biology curriculum goes on trial in federal court today in the nation's first legal challenge to the idea, which contends that evolutionary theory alone does not explain how life on Earth took shape.

The lawsuit, brought by 11 parents in the Dover Area School District, attacks as unconstitutional the year-old policy of telling ninth-grade biology students that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution "is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence." School officials also recommend a book on intelligent design, or ID.

The plaintiffs, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State, argue that the policy -- which does not require students to study intelligent design -- serves religious, not secular ends, violating the First Amendment.

ID proponents say scientists can look at life forms and identify the work of a controlling "intelligence," although ID advocates are not specific about the nature of that force. While they do not reject all evolutionary theory, ID proponents argue that it incorrectly insists life took shape purely through a mindless process.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: allcrevoallthetime; anothercrevothread; crevolist; crevorepublic; education; enoughalready; evolution; id; lawsuit; religion; scienceeducation
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To: Vaquero
yes....I agree they are a danger to civilization. between them and the 'Islamic world wide threat', we are looking at a possible return to dark ages like those that followed the collapse of the Roman empire. Not a pretty picture<>P> That in a nutshell is the problem.

Specifically, what is the difference netween the population of the US and of the ME?

Transplant either citizen to the other region, and what happens? Is it the region, or the mindset? The reason they still live in tents with sand floors and no plumbing is not because they are inferior intellectually ounce for ounce in brain matter.

It is because they have chosen for 1400 years to praise and blame all on ALLAH (inshallah), rather than investigating, inventing, capitalizing, rewarding individual and innovative thought, and not letting the religion itself be the rule of law, but a private matter between one's self and thier GOD.

81 posted on 09/26/2005 8:28:01 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: furball4paws

Okay - put a monkey in a jar and check back in about a million years and see if it evolved into a human.


82 posted on 09/26/2005 8:28:07 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: PatrickHenry

Scopes monkey trial part II........


83 posted on 09/26/2005 8:29:07 AM PDT by indcons (How about rooting for our side for a change, you liberal morons?)
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To: mlc9852
Hmmmmmmmmmm, if you are then you are descended from a monkey's (the Rhesus monkey) ancestor in at least one gene :-)

Just part of the "Observation" mode.

84 posted on 09/26/2005 8:30:23 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: mlc9852

HHhhhhmmmmmm.........

Stimulus - Response

Stimulus - Response


85 posted on 09/26/2005 8:32:19 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: mlc9852

PS - my jar is already full.


86 posted on 09/26/2005 8:33:04 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The creationists on FR have been linking to darwinism-watch.

Allahu Akhbar! That site rocks like a fully-loaded suicide martyr!

87 posted on 09/26/2005 8:34:09 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro; Gumlegs

Gumlegs has some virgins for you - only slightly used!


88 posted on 09/26/2005 8:35:26 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: mlc9852
I am still not descended from a monkey.

Not directly, of course. The apes intervene. In fact, there's no point at all getting excited over the monkeys considering the primitive primates, early mammals, mammal-like reptiles, amphibians, fish, chordates, bilateran metazoans, and pond scum. Compared to most of that, monkeys are pretty respectable.

89 posted on 09/26/2005 8:44:47 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: mlc9852
I love these threads. Especially people showing they have no notion what they are talking about.
90 posted on 09/26/2005 8:46:33 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: furball4paws; Gumlegs
There are only two reasons a woman is still a virgin at such an age as Gumlegs's hoary houris. They're either lying -- or they're telling the truth.
91 posted on 09/26/2005 8:50:21 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: doc30

Whether or not you believe ID should be taught, do you actually believe the ACLU is right in saying that this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? You can fight ID on other grounds, but a teacher telling students about a book on ID they can read on their own time does not violate the first amendment.


92 posted on 09/26/2005 8:52:48 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: mlc9852
You cannot force someone to believe as you do. In spite of years and years of evolution theory in public schools, the majority of people just don't buy it. I wonder why?

For the same reason half the students don't know in which century the Civil War was fought, and the same reason newspapers carry astrology columns

93 posted on 09/26/2005 8:55:42 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: VadeRetro; Gumlegs

So, I guess you've never heard of Renew-a-Virgin? Just dip them in it and they're as good as new!


94 posted on 09/26/2005 8:57:40 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: js1138

And more amazing, at least to me, about 15 years ago 60% of high school students couldn't find the Pacific Ocean on a map.


95 posted on 09/26/2005 8:59:20 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Great links. Thank you!


96 posted on 09/26/2005 9:00:09 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Bring back Modernman!)
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To: furball4paws

I thought we descended from mice. There DNA is mighty close...


97 posted on 09/26/2005 9:03:49 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: VadeRetro

Not in my family they aren't. We are humans.


98 posted on 09/26/2005 9:04:44 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: MHalblaub

I know- the evos continue to try anyway, though.


99 posted on 09/26/2005 9:05:12 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

You said you weren't descended from a monkey. Just pointing out at least one gene that says you are.

Have a nice day.


100 posted on 09/26/2005 9:05:52 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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