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Teenage punks behind black hijabs
The Times (UK) ^ | September 24, 2005 | Janice Turner

Posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:19 PM PDT by aculeus

THE UNSMILING GIRL in the black hijab defined her identity thus: “I am a Muslim of Arab origin, living within British society.” Hadil, 18, could not attend a more racially integrated school than Quintin Kynaston in West London where, according to its Ofsted report, “the wealth of cultures and faiths is valued, respected and appreciated”.

Hadil, along with a number of fellow pupils, had taken part in a documentary called Young, British and Muslim and here she was up on stage, giving her views to an audience at the National Film Theatre. Yet in reply to the question “Do you feel British?” Hadil shrugged and said: “I look at British culture and see no moral values which appeal to me.”

And it was hard not to bristle, not to think unbecoming, angry thoughts such as: “Why endure our repulsive morality a moment longer? Wouldn’t you simply be happier in a Muslim country?” The segregation that, according to Trevor Phillips, we are sleepwalking towards is not calculable just in percentages of ethnic minorities gathered in certain neighbourhoods. It is manifested in individual minds. Unlikely ones, like Hadil’s.

Born in London of Iraqi parents who fled Saddam Hussein’s regime — her father was imprisoned and tortured — she is taking A levels next year and hopes to study pharmacy at a British university. Despite this, Hadil looks out upon this country and sees little to recommend it. She and her friends adopted the hijab not because parents insisted — their somewhat bemused mothers mostly do not cover their heads — but to state their disdain for “British culture ”.

And what does that “British culture” mean to an 18-year-old Muslim girl? The stereotype she draws is dismaying: a national taste for getting bladdered at nightclubs, an insistence that girls wear sexy, skimpy clothes, are judged solely on their looks and whether they’ll put out for boys. In the documentary, Hadil is shown shopping in Oxford Street. “Just look at that billboard,” she says. “That ad exploits women’s bodies to sell things.” Which made me smile and recall my own ranty teenage self.

In Iran and Saudi Arabia, the hijab is irrefutably used to disempower women, to make them disappear from public life. And in the film, Muslim boys from the school debate what they would do if their sister ever appeared in a Sloggi advert wearing only a thong. When one boy says that it would be her decision, the others round on him: he should order her to cover up, punish her disgrace.

So while for these boys the hijab is as much a mark of obedience as modesty, it means something different to these girls who have chosen to wear it. For Hadil, living in a British teen culture sexualised as never before, when 70 per cent of girls hate their bodies and desire plastic surgery, the hijab is a stop sign to boys, a demand for respect, to be — as Hadil puts it — “a voice, not just a pretty face”.

One woman in the audience, a Muslim from Oldham, but a decade older than these girls, suggested that this sudden craze for the hijab was “adolescent”. Which, of course, infuriated the girls: how patronising, you just don’t understand . . . But as teen rebellions go, the hijab is as effective a two-fingered gesture to the world as a punk’s mohican, goth’s black garb or a 1970s feminist’s man-repellent dungarees.

So after the debate I asked Hadil if there was nothing about British society she admired? Did she not believe women should be able to vote? (Yes, she did.) If she had to appear in court, did she think her testimony was worth that of any man? (Too right.) Had she not just enjoyed, that very afternoon, freedom of religious expression — indeed of an expensive, state-funded, multi-media variety? (Well, yes.) Wasn’t it fabulous that while given the choice of wearing the hijab, she was not compelled to do so? (Yes.) And that, although she does receive the occasional rude remark about her chosen dress, she mostly walks the streets unmolested? Were not these freedoms also part of British morality, just as much as throwing up outside All Bar One or wearing your knickers above your jeans? And was there a Muslim nation on earth that would afford her the same rights? (Probably not.)

It was a little like the “What have the Romans ever done for us?” scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian. Yes, apart from equality, democracy, religious tolerance and freedom of speech, British morality had done nothing for Hadil. Mr Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, described these hard-won and magnificent freedoms as “simple truths which bind us together”. Talking about being British one cannot but adopt a Hugh Grant stumbling modesty, so ill-mannered and jingoistic does it sound to bang a drum, even very softly.

And I felt insufferably pompous even raising these questions with these bright, funny girls. I suggested they were far more British than they thought. They laughed that living in Iran and compelled to wear the hijab they would probably spend their lives trying to break the rule. “I love it here,” said Dunya, 17. “I never feel excluded in London — there are so many different cultures and we mostly get on.” So why don’t citzenship classes teach that when multiculturalism works it is because British tolerance has made it possible? And that the debate, between the West and Islam that will dominate the political agenda throughout Hadil’s lifetime amounts to more than a choice between the hijab and the thong.

janice.turner@thetimes.co.uk


TOPICS: Editorial; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eurabia; eurotrash; jihadinengland; muslimwomen; religionofpeace; religionoftolerance; rop; trop
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To: tet68

I kinda doubt it. The hajib is just a head scarf.


21 posted on 09/25/2005 3:02:36 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: tet68
They probably wear the thong under the hajib.

Drag queens have obviously found a new uniform.

22 posted on 09/25/2005 3:03:09 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (The Price of Freedom is Written on the Wall.)
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To: jocon307

Did you actually read the article?

I'd be happy if more teenage girls were disturbed a lack of moral values in the behaviour of their peers to be honest.


23 posted on 09/25/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by Canard
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To: aculeus

This is an excellent article; I wish people would read the whole thing before commenting.

It really shows how our pop culture is undermining our fight to preserve Western civilization.

It's funny, because the same leftists and hedonists that are quick to blame the West for attacks by Muslims on us, are themselves creating the vile societal trends (skank fashion, homogamy, etc.) that is helping turn the Muslims to anti-Westernism.

A revival of the Christian aspects of our culture is the surest way to save the West.


24 posted on 09/25/2005 3:06:34 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: flashbunny
...they're just pretty much being youthful idiots.

That's what Lenin would have said about them if he lisped.

25 posted on 09/25/2005 3:07:20 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: flashbunny
dunno, are they the ones that like to play dress up and think they're doing something really different or courageous?

My experiences with them have been more positive than I expected. I've also found them to be a bit more conservative than their counterparts.

26 posted on 09/25/2005 3:07:50 PM PDT by bad company ( Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Polybius
Actually, she seems to be rebelling against the same thing I have taught my daughter to rebel against. Pointed in the right direction, she would make a good conservative.

Excellent point. The young lady's reasoning is typically teenage, but she's correct that there is much in modern Western society against which a young woman should take a stand.

Her main error is in identifying Islamic culture as something better.

27 posted on 09/25/2005 3:08:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: aculeus

If you don't like Great Britain, go find a country that you like. Great Britain has no interest in being remade according to your tastes.


28 posted on 09/25/2005 3:09:20 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: aculeus

And the Left says the Root Causes of Terrorism and Environmental Degredation.

Ha!


29 posted on 09/25/2005 3:09:26 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Will the next President inherit George W. Bush's hurricane making machine?)
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To: Canard

"Did you actually read the article? "

Yes I read it. These little facists are happy to be subversives in a free society. Send them over to Saudi Arabia, Iran or most nations in dar-es-Islam and see how they do.

You find them funny, that makes it clear to me that you DON'T have a daughter. Because if you did, you wouldn't find it so funny. Remember the 60s, remember Hanoi Jane, out of control adolescent girls can do a lot of damage.

I'd cheerfully strangle the one in the article, and if I ran Britain she'd be on a plane tonight.


30 posted on 09/25/2005 3:09:39 PM PDT by jocon307 (Sorry for my bad attitude)
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To: jocon307

Polybius said it better than me in post 18. Please refer to that.

"And what does that “British culture” mean to an 18-year-old Muslim girl? The stereotype she draws is dismaying: a national taste for getting bladdered at nightclubs, an insistence that girls wear sexy, skimpy clothes, are judged solely on their looks and whether they’ll put out for boys."

Are any of those things that you'd be happy for your daughter to endorse? There's is nothing mentioned in the interview that can be remotely described as 'subversive'.


31 posted on 09/25/2005 3:13:28 PM PDT by Canard
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To: aculeus

The interviewer forgot to ask if she was thankful to be allowed to attend school in England. Tony should show her and her cohorts the border.


32 posted on 09/25/2005 3:14:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: aculeus
So why don’t citzenship classes teach that when multiculturalism works it is because British tolerance has made it possible?

A common characteristic of all Muslims is that they are:

Stuck on stupid

This is quite literally true. Islam has held Muslim culture in the 7th century AD.

33 posted on 09/25/2005 3:16:55 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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To: aculeus

She should have been asked what she thought was positive about Sharia.


35 posted on 09/25/2005 3:18:29 PM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid!)
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To: jocon307; Canard
To: Canard........... Of course I have a daughter. I have a daughter who is not trying to undermine the society she lives in. You find this amusing?

There are many sub-cultures within Western society as a whole.

The sub-culture of San Francisco is not the sub-culture of the Bible Belt.

Where I live on the Left Coast, a very high percentage of teenagers do have a habit of getting stoned and insist that girls wear sexy, skimpy clothes be judged solely on their looks and whether they’ll put out for boys.

That is, except for substituting "stoned" for "bladdered at a nightclub every night", exactly what this girl said she was rebelling against.

I have taught my daughter to rebel against that local sub-culture and I am proud to say that she has.

The so-called "society" this girl is rebelling against is not really a "society" but the same decadent sub-cultures we conservatives are rebelling against.

36 posted on 09/25/2005 3:19:55 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: junta

"She should have been asked what she thought was positive about Sharia."

Given that she thinks women should be allowed to vote, testify in court and should not be compelled to wear the hijab, we can infer that she wouldn't be too positive about it.


37 posted on 09/25/2005 3:21:01 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Polybius

"The so-called "society" this girl is rebelling against is not really a "society" but the same decadent sub-cultures we conservatives are rebelling against."

Exactly. And, if a teenage girl was making exactly the same points, and rebelling against the subculture by esposuing her Christian beliefs, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid, much less endorse beheading her...


38 posted on 09/25/2005 3:23:32 PM PDT by Canard
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To: aculeus

Probably just FT teenage angst, but since it's the TROP I'd follow her and her mates and shoot a lot of video.


39 posted on 09/25/2005 3:25:54 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: F15Eagle

"Talk about weird values. Hate immoral behaviour but have no problem with terrorism."

EXACTLY. Give me a non-muderous slut anyday over these hajib wearing terrorists, or future terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers.

Anyone who wants their daughter to live like that, try and move to Saudi Arabia, of course they won't have you, if your an infidel. Convert and put your butt in the air to worship the moon-god, then you'll be in.


40 posted on 09/25/2005 3:28:32 PM PDT by jocon307 (Sorry for my bad attitude)
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