KMCAS OAHU HAWAII '69 - 72 SEMPER FI
Posted on 09/23/2005 8:47:09 AM PDT by FeeinTennessee
Because it's illegal. I'm sure there are many people who didn't join the army to be preached at and I for one would rather my taxes not go to religious purposes. Would be singing the same song if they put a stop to muslim prayers on your tax dollar?
Well, golly. Would you be singing the same song in, say, a free country, as opposed to North Korea?
No it isn't. But that statement proves nothing anyway.
It's more a case of "When the law is on your side, talk the law; when the facts are on your side, talk the facts; when neither is on your side, pound the table!"
Try to imagine a Muslim Continental Congress writing the Constitution that you are depending on to secure your liberties. Wouldn't have happened.
I can't believe I'm hearing this.
The Air Force has been holding public prayers for YEARS! So now, a few people get offended and BAM...we can't say prayers in public anymore. It's ridiculous! Our military has prided itself on acknowldeging God, and when a few people whine, it makes me sick. Our country is steeped in religious tradition, and to deny that is to deny who we are.
Freedom of religion.
It means that Congress shall not pass a law establishing a national religion that all must follow (a grievance for the colonists, as they were forced to join the Church of England prior to the Revolution).
It doesn't mean that religion itself must be stamped out.
This is not advocacy of religion; this is not taxes being diverted for religious purposes. This is simply a stamping out of public prayer. If anything, this is more unconstitutional than the previous status quo.
Thoughts??
From time to time I'm called upon to give an invocation (apparently because I'm not bashful about it). I try to be sensitive to the fact that there will be both Christians and Jews in the audience, so I choose my words carefully. I call upon God, which isn't going to bother either the Christians or the Jews. If there are some Muslims in the audience, they can interpret God any way they choose. Since Buddhists don't have a god, they shouldn't be bothered either (Buddha was not a god; he was a man who achieved Enlightenment). My approach seems to work. No one has ever complained.
"So why is this happening?"
Because a few idiot commanders have used command influence to engage in aggressive prosletyzing that goes way beyond the boundaries of propriety, and the Air Force isn't willing to fire idiots as the Navy is. So, instead, they make an idiotic rule to accomodate their senior idiots.
We are becoming the perfect little communists. Sexless, tasteless, and Godless we are rapidly becoming that which we once opposed.
Red6
Because a very few over-zealous folks in charge of different commands took it on themselves to try to convert the Jews and other non-Christians to Christianity on an official basis.
I remember a Captain in the USAF like that, during Basic Training. He decided that everyone either went to chapel on Sundays or did KP that day. So, on Sundays, the mess hall was populated with the non-religious, while the rest took most of the day off, even in Basic.
He didn't like Jewish airmen, either, and distributed Christian tracts to them.
He shortly resigned his commission.
KMCAS OAHU HAWAII '69 - 72 SEMPER FI
I opened my retirement ceremony with a prayer. I wouldn't of had it without a Chaplin. No one complained.
I hope it does blow over. It would totally suck for guys to be getting ready to go out on a mission, looking to the Chaplain for inspiration to get "Good luck boys. You're on your own" but sometimes that looks like where this is heading. Ugh!
Speak for yourself.
Ahem. Sorry - a little levity.
I live in a wonderfully free country by most standards.
Thankfully it's one where my tax dollars can't be used to preach to people about God, you guys can do that on your own nickel.
I LOVE that picture by the way.
Our nation is going in the wrong direction....now the military? No! Our soldiers fought for so much for us to have the freedom to speak of God (I'm sure they talk to Him when they are under fire daily and are in the trenches) and this is what we do? It's a shame!
You're aboslutely correct, because the Muslims use their religion as law which is a recipe for disaster. Just as if we had law based on the Bible it'd be a disaster.
I'd hate to live in a world where the Bible is the law of the land. If that ever happened that would be my cue to take up arms against the government.
A prayer for our country:
H eavenly Father,
you are the real foundation of nations,
raising them up to serve and care
for the people dwelling in their boundaries.
I thank you for making me a citizen of this land
of freedom and unlimited opportunity---
these United States.
S end forth your Spirit to this country
and make it a source of wisdom and strength,
order and integrity throughout the world.
--Author Unknown
Amen! This nation is HIS--Fee
Priests in my city (Philadelphia) have been raping little boys for years, this week a bunch of people got offended and BAM..now they have to stop (or learn to cover it up better).
Just because something has been "going on for a long time" doesn't mean it's right and shouldn't be fixed.
"Our military has prided itself on acknowldeging God"
Silly me, the whole time I thought our military prided itself on kicking butt.
"Our country is steeped in religious tradition, and to deny that is to deny who we are."
That's great, not everyone drinks that kool-aid however and I think the founding fathers realized that when they wrote the establishment clause.
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