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God-Fearing Spartans
Opinion Journal ^ | 9/22/05 | DANIEL FORD

Posted on 09/23/2005 6:19:53 AM PDT by Valin

God-Fearing Spartans A look at America's "imperial grunts."

"Forget the crap about it ain't being a culture war," says an American sergeant in Zamboanga, trying to explain why he regards the local Muslims as hostile. In "Imperial Grunts," Robert Kaplan surveys the U.S. military presence around the world. He finds brighter spots than this southern Philippine island but never a more succinct statement of the problem: In "Injun country," as the sergeant notes, you can't afford to be nonjudgmental.

It is Mr. Kaplan's conceit that the U.S. now governs the world and, for efficiency, has carved it into six territories or "commands." For good measure, we have a Special Operations Command to perform unconventional tasks anywhere, though they are required much more in the Middle East or South America than in, say, "Northcom," an area comprising the continental U.S., Canada, Alaska, the Caribbean--and the west coast of Greenland.

Mr. Kaplan set out to visit a hotspot in each command. His grand tour occupied him for two years, during which time he developed an abiding fondness for the men who guard the marches of the American imperium. "I was beginning to love these guys," he writes of a special-forces team in Colombia. "They had amassed so much technical knowledge about so many things at such a young age. They could perform minor surgery on the spot. Yet they had such a reduced sense of self compared to everyone I knew in the media and public policy worlds."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: robertkaplan; usmilitary

1 posted on 09/23/2005 6:19:53 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

The Spartans didn't look afraid of Touchdown Jesus in South Bend last week.


2 posted on 09/23/2005 6:24:18 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Valin
I will not spend money on a book whose title implies that the US military is an Imperial force.

Of course, Kaplan seems to mean well. And he (apparently) means no harm in his use of "imperial":

But Mr. Kaplan intends something positive--a way of suggesting that our far-flung troops are the descendants of the cavalry, dragoons and civilian frontiersmen who fought the Indian wars of the 18th and 19th centuries.

That's a huge leap. The western frontier was not an imperial venture either. Unless you're a Marxist.

3 posted on 09/23/2005 6:28:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

OH YES WERE IT WAS WE WERE DISENFRANCHISING AND SLAUGHTERING THOSE POOR NOBLE NATIVE AMERICANS JUST WATCH HIDALGO IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need my gin-soaked raisins now.


4 posted on 09/23/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by stan the beaver (We will kill the ones who eat us, and eat the ones we kill!!)
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To: Valin
They had amassed so much technical knowledge about so many things at such a young age. They could perform minor surgery on the spot. Yet they had such a reduced sense of self compared to everyone I knew in the media and public policy worlds.

Interesting comment...

5 posted on 09/23/2005 6:54:49 AM PDT by ikka
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To: ClearCase_guy

And I question the use of the term "Spartan" as well, at least as a proper noun as this headline has.

Are they really religious fundamentalists for whom homosexuality between men and boys is a normal way of life?

Not so much.


6 posted on 09/23/2005 6:59:53 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Valin
One of the more surprising of Mr. Kaplan's findings is that evangelical Christianity helped to transform the military in the 1980s, rescuing the Vietnam-era Army from drugs, alcohol and alienation. That reformation, together with the character-building demands of Balkans deployments of the 1990s (more important, in his judgment, than the frontal wars against Saddam Hussein), created our "imperial grunts."

I'm definitely going to get this book. He talks about two things that bear *serious* investigation - the impact of evangelical Christianity and the Balkan deployments. This one's high on my "must read" list.

7 posted on 09/23/2005 7:03:28 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: Terabitten

There is one small problem with this book....putting it down.


8 posted on 09/23/2005 7:05:31 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

I'll probably buy it this weekend. :) Thanks for the heads up.


9 posted on 09/23/2005 7:07:30 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: Valin
the troops explain themselves in terms that call to mind an earlier America: God, country, honor, duty. "The clichés were spoken with utter seriousness," Mr. Kaplan assures us.

These terms are only considered "cliches" by leftist intellectuals. It is quite telling that Kaplan feels the need to add that they were spoken seriously.

Kaplan is doing us great harm by throwing around the world "imperial" and focusing on the religious beliefs of particular servicemen. He knows that our enemies seize on this sort of thing, especially when they can quote a prominent American thinker himself calling us an "empire" and saying that our soldiers are essentially "crusaders."

But apparently that doesn't matter much to Kaplan, whose objective here seems to be to ingratiate himself with the New York Times Book Review and the people who run the publishing industry (who all have a highly developed sense of self).

10 posted on 09/23/2005 7:11:28 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Valin

Anyone who (for whatever reasons) doesn't what to shell out the $25.00 for this book, it in excerpted in this months "The Atlantic Monthly".


11 posted on 09/23/2005 7:12:43 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

The author sounds like a liberal going weak kneed in the presence of real men. He admires them in spite of himself and catches a glimmer of the fact that there are more noble goals aimed for by these soldiers and their commanders than the paultry hate America marxism of his own kind.


12 posted on 09/23/2005 7:26:02 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Valin

bump...


13 posted on 09/23/2005 7:39:01 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Valin

BFLR.....


14 posted on 09/23/2005 7:40:47 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Valin
The phrase is slightly misleading--even off-putting. As a synonym for American troops, "grunt" came and mostly went with the Vietnam War, evoking the dispirited soldiery of that era.

Is this true? I am a pre Vietnam vet USMC 1960 to 1964 and can remember the term 'grunt' referring to a Marine with 0300 type MOS's (basic rifleman). ie Warriors. And I don't recall them being "off putting".

15 posted on 09/23/2005 9:03:20 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Valin

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200510/kaplan-us-special-forces


16 posted on 09/23/2005 9:07:18 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

That's the article!
I always take a look at the Atlantic Monthly to see if there's anything worth my time.


17 posted on 09/23/2005 9:39:17 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

rescuing the Vietnam-era Army from drugs, alcohol and alienation.>>

Oh? My friend was in the army from 1981-1985 and tried every drug known to man. It was all over the place at Fr. Bragg.


18 posted on 10/01/2005 5:05:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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