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British scientist criticises US climate "loonies"
Reuters ^ | 9/23/05

Posted on 09/22/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by Crackingham

A leading British scientist said on Friday the growing ferocity of hurricanes hitting the United States was very probably caused by global warming and criticised what he termed U.S. climate loonies over the issue. Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which advises the government, made what the Independent newspaper said was a thinly disguised attack on the stance of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration.

"The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming," Lawton told the newspaper in an interview.

"If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation," said Lawton.

Less than a month after Hurricane Katrina devastated large areas of the U.S. Gulf coast, a new hurricane called Rita was roaring through the Gulf of Mexico towards the centre of the U.S. oil industry.

Climate change policies sharply divide Bush from many other world leaders who have signed up for caps on emissions of greenhouse gases under the U.N.'s Kyoto protocol. Bush pulled out of Kyoto in 2001, saying it was too expensive and wrongly excluded developing nations from a first round of caps to 2012. In July this year, Bush launched a six-nation plan to combat climate change with Australia, China, India, Japan and South Korea focused on a shift to cleaner energy technology. Unlike Kyoto, it stops short of setting caps on emissions.

Asked what conclusion the Bush administration should draw from two powerful hurricanes hitting the United States in quick succession, Lawton said:

"If what looks like is going to be a horrible mess causes the extreme sceptics about climate change in the U.S. to reconsider their opinion, that would be an extremely valuable outcome.

"There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate. I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."

Lawton said hurricanes were getting more intense, just as computer models predicted they would, because of the rising temperature of the sea.

"Increasingly it looks like a smoking gun," he said.

"It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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To: montag813
Don't try to bring facts into this argument!!!
21 posted on 09/22/2005 7:55:43 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Crackingham
"The increased intensity ..."

How does he know? Prior to the 1950's, we didn't even name storms and because of the lack of sophisticated satelites, hurricane hunter aircraft, and recording bouys, we lacked the ability to track and measure storms until they made landfall and even then, the records and blogs were unreliable by today's standards.

22 posted on 09/22/2005 7:56:45 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Crackingham

They want us to live in caves.


24 posted on 09/22/2005 8:00:26 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Troubled by NOLA looting ? You ain't seen nothing yet.)
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To: montag813; Proud_USA_Republican

Dang, that decade went by so quickly... it seemed like only 40% as previous decades...I must be getting old!
25 posted on 09/22/2005 8:08:53 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Crackingham

Dubious. But there was a report from a German research center that indicated there has been increased solar activity over the years. Now that would make the Earth warm.


26 posted on 09/22/2005 8:09:26 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Crackingham
Storm frenzy is not an anomaly, but a phase

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Now climatologists say frenzied hurricane seasons will be a fact of life for the next 10 to 20 years, part of a lengthy cycle of stormy eras followed by calmer ones.

The engine driving these cycles is called the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, or AMO. Scientists say it has triggered drought in the western United States while spawning hurricanes in the Atlantic.

At a time when some are theorizing that global warming may be the reason for more intense hurricane seasons, climatologists say the AMO is the real culprit.

27 posted on 09/22/2005 8:10:13 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: poindexters brother

Thanks for the link. I have been looking for it.


28 posted on 09/22/2005 8:15:15 PM PDT by PA Engineer
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To: PA Engineer

I can be a volcano God Where dim virgins at?


29 posted on 09/22/2005 8:15:22 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I believe I see the Globaal warming porthole in full operation


30 posted on 09/22/2005 8:18:17 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Crackingham
WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!
31 posted on 09/22/2005 8:19:04 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: Gondring
Dang, that decade went by so quickly... it seemed like only 40% as previous decades...I must be getting old!

The total is now 11. The point, as you know, is that the trend has been lower for decades and hasnt come close to WWII-era levels. And no one argues that global warming was an issue back then. Their argument simply does not hold water (no pun intended).

32 posted on 09/22/2005 8:21:01 PM PDT by montag813
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To: DoctorMichael
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED !!!!!
33 posted on 09/22/2005 8:27:27 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: eyespysomething

"There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate. I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."


So what? Then your country and the whole world can go by the Kyoto accords without the US holding your hand?

Commit economic suicide. Who's stopping ya?

Losers....


34 posted on 09/22/2005 8:49:55 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: Crackingham

Gotta build 300 nuke plants, ponto!


35 posted on 09/22/2005 8:51:34 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Crackingham

So let us sign Kyoto protocol while China continues to dump it's waste in their rivers and streams!!
That will solve everything Mr. Brown teeth!!


36 posted on 09/22/2005 8:54:34 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: montag813
"...or did I miss his blistering criticism of FDR for global warming in 1943?"


Interesting graphic. If global warming is due to carbon being released into the atmosphere, then why didn't the temps spike upwards after WW2?

Think of all the burning cities, machinery, explosions and the terrible waste of untold billions of barrels of oil in the oceans due to torpedoed ships, etc. The sky should have set itself on fire by the fifties....
37 posted on 09/22/2005 8:56:35 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: kublia khan

Hurricanes are caused by all the jet fuel spewed into the atmosphere by scientists (and politicians) flying to environmental conferences.


38 posted on 09/22/2005 9:00:59 PM PDT by MilleniumBug
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To: PA Engineer
The same superstitions, arrogance and stupidity possess the GW wackoes as did their primitive ancestors.

Except they know exactly what they're doing. It reminds me of Kim Jong 'Mentally" Il's strategy of keeping the home folks emotionally stirred-up over a looming phony American invasion of NK. Global Warming pours millions into liberal fund-raising coffers and is a neat technique for stampeding the stupid into supporting very bad socialist legislation.

39 posted on 09/22/2005 9:07:17 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Crackingham
What if is turns out that in fact global warming has reduced the intensity of hurricanes over the last 50 years. If you really want to make simplistic assumptions like the British 'scientist':
(A) emissions over the last 50 years have increased;
(B) hurricanes over the last 50 years have decreased in intensity.
(A)+(B)= more emissions means less intense hurricanes.

Pseudo science crap.

However, this brings up an interesting twist: Assume that for some strange reason, greenhouse gasses actually reduced hurricane strength. Would the same people be arguing that we should increase emissions to help save the gulf coast from hurricanes?

40 posted on 09/22/2005 9:57:47 PM PDT by xrhopsiomega
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