If "democratic values" is an ambiguous term, how can you use it to describe something? 
Posted on 09/22/2005 4:13:25 AM PDT by grundle
Actually, biz, that was probably a tactic by the teacher to get out of parent conferences. I'm embarrassed to admit that I did that as a teacher during the second semester in fourth grade, knowing that very few parents would respond. We were right and got to leave school early on conference days due to "no conferences scheduled." I'm so ashamed.
OTOH, it is stunning that so few parents of KINDERGARTNERS wouldn't want conferences.
So far as it goes. It left out the detail that he was given ample opportunity to leave without being arrested, and chose instead to engage in a deliberate act of civil disobedience. He was looking to get arrested, and he got what he wanted.
Oh, and that the reason he spent the night in jail was because he refused to post bail.
Of course he broke the law. He was asked to leave the premises, and he refused. That is trespassing.
Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for activists, from the left or the right, who get what they were looking for.
True. But, that does not mitigate the fact that he was most likely arrested for no other crime than annoying the school board.
Read the article again. This was a scheduled meeting in which he was welcome and allowed to participate. He refused to leave until given certain assurances, was not granted those assurances, and was told to leave. He refused.
Whether or not those who demaded he leave had the right to do so, under penalty of law, has not been established.
Did I claim there was one?? "...that the information about how adults chose to interact with one another in a non-sexual manner is quite pertinent."
A five year old needs to learn about how adults interact? Why don't we teach them how children should interact first?
You are willfully ignoring that this is nothing more than indoctination of five year olds into accepting as "normal", various forms of ADULT behavior - it is inappropriate.
"The Lexington School Board contends Parker deliberately set out to be arrested and make national headlines."
So they are admitting that they helped him get what he wants? Doesn't that mean they aided him in doing the thing they are shunning?
Yes, as I said, he was asked to leave, and refused. They gave him two hours to comply before arresting him.
This is obviously a question which is impossible to answer.
It reminds me of what a friend said to me about India - whatever someone tells you about India is probably true. But, you will always find someone to tell you the exact opposite. And they are right too.
Democratic values may not be as ambiguous, but I could spend the next 30 years studying it and writing a book and a Freeper could still knock me down on what I wrote and that Freeper would be right too.
In other words, I have been around here long enough not to take that bait.
For a clearer explanation of the way I see things, see post 100.
By the way, this is turing into quite an interesting and intelligent debate.
Then we are back to my first question. Do you support 'pay to play'?
Since I can package any agenda with pretty wrapping paper, then offer up monies as an incentive, should this be a proper way of getting an agenda into the school curriculum?
schools have zero tolerance on EVERYTHING, that might bring criticism to them.
EngineDad, EngineDad, EngineDad. I'm sure you mean well, but your naivete is stunning. Since when has the government EVER, EVER let "competent" people do anything, let alone "rebuild" their #1 method of Mass Mind Control. First of all, who defines "competent"? The NEA? The Dept of Education? Local school boards? Religious groups? The gay militia?
If you want to see true change, then the exact opposite must happen. Change in the public schools won't begin until millions of kids are pulled OUT. Sending kids INto public schools only sends the message, "Hey you're doing such a great job in screwing up all the kids in my neighborhood that I want to offer up my child as well. And here's some money to make sure you get the job done." Money talks, and when schools lose students, they panic. Believe me. I taught in public schools for years.
Personally, I believe the public school system is way past being a lost cause. We homeschool our kids. You might enjoy reading John Taylor Gatto's book, "Dumbing us Down."
They must not have gotten the note sent home from school or read it on the front page of the local paper.
Ya think?????
If "democratic values" is an ambiguous term, how can you use it to describe something?
One would certainly have to make a diligent effort to be ignorant of the general trend of government education. Which leads to the second part of my statement - that many parents don't care that their children are being indoctrinated in whatever is currently fashionable, rather than taught to read, write, and add.
I agree, besides, many of these young adult parents belive there is nothing wrong with homosexuals themselves.
School indulges in queer pressure.
"Look at the irony here, One dipstick in California has "Under God " banned in the schools there, but this man cant stop his kids from being taught the homosexual agenda in Kindergarten.
We are losing folks and we better start working harder."
A BIG AMEN!!!
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