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Allstate won't pay Katrina flood claims
MarketWatch ^ | Sept. 20, 2005 | Alistair Barr

Posted on 09/21/2005 10:01:23 AM PDT by george76

Insurer's operating chief responds to Mississippi suit...

Allstate Corp. won't pay flooding claims stemming from Hurricane Katrina, Chief Operating Officer Tom Wilson said on Tuesday, in a direct challenge to a lawsuit filed last week by Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood.

Controversy has emerged surrounding the devastating flooding that followed the storm. Standard homeowners' insurance policies typically exclude flooding, partly because a national, government-run program covers those risks. However, many homeowners hit by Katrina may not have bought this extra coverage.

Mississippi's Hood sued Allstate and four other leading insurers in the state on Sept. 16, arguing that their flood exclusions should be voided and that they should pay flood claims.

"Exhibit one for us will be just the national flood-insurance programs -- advertising programs, which they put on very aggressively every year," he said. "People know this is a separate coverage, so we're not having many issues with our customers."

Allstate's Wilson did concede that there will be "issues" when assessing what damage was caused by wind and what was the result of flooding.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: allstate; insurance; katrina; rita
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To: Skooz
To expect an insurance company to pay on non-existent policies is just goofy

Um, have you seen the government lately? Sooner or later the states were going to emulate the stupidity of the politicians in Washington.

81 posted on 09/21/2005 10:25:40 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: poobear
You're welcome. Your mention of being under-insured due to appreciation is the next shoe to drop, I'll bet. That will be a rude awakening for many.
82 posted on 09/21/2005 10:25:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: BurbankKarl
That is why you saw buildings on fire...wink wink.

Around this house, we refer to that as "the insurance wire shorting out." :-)

83 posted on 09/21/2005 10:26:24 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: george76
Attorney General Jim Hood is challenging Mississippi's top property insurance carriers in state court, claiming homeowners' policies that exclude water damage from hurricanes violate the state's Consumer Protection Act and deprive consumers of any real coverage choices.

Hood names in the lawsuit Mississippi Farm Bureau Insurance, State Farm Fire and Casualty Co., Allstate Property and Casualty Insurance Co., United Services Automobile Association (USAA) and Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co.

Hood is asking a judge to restrain the insurance companies from denying coverage based on the water damage exemption. He said agents often failed to explain the exemption to policy buyers, who assumed they were covered for all damage caused by a hurricane.

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Meanwhile, Richard "Dickie" Scruggs, brother-in-law of U.S. Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., and the architect of Big Tobacco litigation, said Thursday that he will sue insurance companies refusing to cover homeowners' losses.

Scruggs, now based in Oxford, has set up shop at the Scruggs Center, a mansion he renovated in downtown Moss Point.

Pascagoula Police Lt. Paul Leonard and his wife, Julie, are among Scruggs' clients. Nationwide Mutual Fire Insurance Co. has denied the Leonardes' insurance claim in writing. The letter adds, "It appears that your loss was caused by water or water-borne material."

Scruggs said, "This is typical of the letters and stories I've been hearing daily over here."

Public policy in Mississippi requires insurers to pay when any part of the damage is a covered loss. In this case, homeowner policies that cover damage caused by wind can't be denied when the damage involved wind-driven water, Scruggs said.

He said a homeowner has so far prevailed under this policy in a case on appeal to the Florida Supreme Court.

The insurance industry maintains Hood's legal action is doomed to fail.

Property insurance companies don't charge a premium for flood insurance and don't have the reserves to pay for flood damage, said Loretta Worters, vice president of the Insurance Information Institute, an industry trade association.

"Unfortunately," Worters said, "many residents chose not to purchase flood insurance."

The flood exemption has been part of homeowner policies since the National Flood Insurance Program's inception in 1968, she said.

"If there's going to be a change," Worters said, "you can't do it midstream."

84 posted on 09/21/2005 10:26:47 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Texas Eagle
Whoa. Flashback. Now I know how Jason Bourne felt. Yes. Did you use to post there also?

Yup,I was "Jim F" and was one of the many who used to tangle with that smarmy Jack Gillis.

And,for the record,I still remember what "Texas Eagle" represents....a train and not a bird.How's that for a memory!

85 posted on 09/21/2005 10:26:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: george76
Mississippi's Hood sued Allstate and four other leading insurers in the state on Sept. 16, arguing that their flood exclusions should be voided and that they should pay flood claims.

If this flies, it will set a precedent, and contract law in this country is dead.

86 posted on 09/21/2005 10:27:11 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: MizSterious
People who try to cheap out shouldn't expect to have their bills paid by those of us who paid.

Aren't you the dreamer. :-)

87 posted on 09/21/2005 10:27:35 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Owl_Eagle

Heh, if I were to live in a 10' below sea level bowl right next to Hurricane Bay, my only question when getting insurance would be: Does this cover floods?

Idiots.


88 posted on 09/21/2005 10:28:30 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: dfwgator

How do you seperate the water from a hurricane from the wind of a hurricane?

It is windSTORM insurance not just wind insurance.

When does the water cease to be "storm" and start to be "flood only"?

I can actually understand the bifurcation in NO because the flood was levy related more than "STORM" related.


89 posted on 09/21/2005 10:28:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BurbankKarl

That's interesting and makes sense on Allstates part. But i was referring to arson as a means of circumventing the "no flood coverage" clause.


90 posted on 09/21/2005 10:28:36 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: ladtx
"Allstates competitors should jump at this and say they will cover ALL claims flood or wind. They would soon have all of Allstates customers."

And they would soon be bankrupt. Bad business practices are not good marketing. Allstate should meet it's contractual commitments - No more and no less (i.e. do not pay for flood damage if it is excluded)

91 posted on 09/21/2005 10:28:58 AM PDT by drt1
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To: Cobra64
If this flies, it will set a precedent, and contract law in this country is dead.

And insurance will be so expensive no-one will be able to afford adequate coverage.

92 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:04 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Cicero
and also, in my opinion, for the rule of law in our country.

Absolutely. It would theorectically void every contract in this country.

93 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:09 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: george76
If there is no policy coverage for this kind of destruction then the insurance company should not have to pay. To make exceptions simply because of the seriousness and extent of the damage is ridiculous beyond all reason. A contract is a contract is a contract. Damages caused by flooding is not covered, period and end of statement.
94 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:27 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: farlander

My point was that there may be an opportunity here for Allstates competitors to gain new customers.


95 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:29 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Holy frijoles. The memories are flooding back. Now I know how the people who stayed behind in New Orleans felt.

Those were the days. Do you remember Jim Craig? We corresponded via e-mail for years. I don't know what happened to him. I think he may have finally had a meltdown.

96 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:59 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: george76

I left Rape-a-State a long time ago but I don't believe they should be held responsible for something that wasn't in the policy.

Read the fine print.


97 posted on 09/21/2005 10:30:00 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
hard to see how Mississippi can win that suit

In front of a jury whose friends and families stand to gain from their verdict?

It's a homerun.

98 posted on 09/21/2005 10:30:13 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: SuziQ

Oops. I'm wrong. Supposedly you are supposed to be in good hands with Allstate. (Although I know differently. )


99 posted on 09/21/2005 10:30:20 AM PDT by twigs
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To: george76

Maybe that's why some of the houses had fires - some of those homeowners weren't so stupid.


100 posted on 09/21/2005 10:30:49 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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