Posted on 09/21/2005 7:39:02 AM PDT by BladeLWS
LIVE THREAD for the Able Danger hearings, currently on CSPAN 3, watch live at www.cspan.org
Kleinsmith: Deleted data May-June 2000.
May - June 2000 data was deleted
Initial Live Thread started at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488396/posts
Time to subpoena rummy and turn up the heat.
Looks like only two senators there, no democrats.
Pretty much. They've already started revoking clearances to shut people up.
It's deeper than protecting a few generals or even Clinton. Already -- except for those few brave souls who told the truth about whom they blamed for their abandonment in NO to David Reynolds on ABC -- thanks to CNN and their pals, the public has decided the feds can't handle disasters like Kristina...and here comes Rita with bells on. The admin. is worried as well they should, about suitcase nukes, NK, Iran, nuke rocket attacks, ebola, anthrax, and God only knows what else Muslim crackpots have up their sleeves. The big thing in America is trust in govt, and once you lose that, there goes everything and the Libs get a big rope ready for Bush. Impeachment? They'd lynch him in the street.
Adding some of YaYa123's comments form another thread.
my notes so far:
Biden says he is here because of his high regard for Curt Weldon, and much he told me I was unaware of , and it turns out to be true.
Specter and Biden both are vouching for Weldon. Biden says Weldon is a strong republican but he has no political agenda here. Biden says his staff verifies Able Danger uncovered Atta before 9-ll. Biden is disappointed, can't understand why the DoD witnesses have been pulled...Biden thinks this is a mistake. Biden says Specter never takes no for an answer, and Biden expects Specter to pursue those witnesses.
Biden has to leave, will stay as long as possible, and hopes the Pentagon will reverse itself. Biden says he's seen no reason for their action.
Senator Kyle welcomes Weldon, appreciates his efforts, blah blah. Klye says we are going to have a lot of work ahead of us. Kyle agrees with Specter that their committee must do a lot of work on posse commitattas in order to resolve problems.
No one elsse on the committee there, This is a big diss!
Weldon begins reading, thanks Biden and Kyle for showing up.
Able Danger existed. 5 have told me and your staff that Atta and 3 other terrrorists were identified before 9-ll.
Weldon makes the point: The pentagon says the 5 can't testify because of classified information, but wweeks ago said all the Able Danger info was all open source information, not classified.
Weldon says it was a 9-ll commission member who encouraged him to investigate Able Danger.
Biden elicits the informaition "
Able Danger started in 98, terminated in 2000.
Biden asked why was Able Danger shut down.
Weldon says important names were included in data mining. (It was Condeleeza Rice)
this was prototype operation, so sensitive to coincidental, embarrassing information.
Weldon says it was significant reason Able Danger was shut down.
Massive data mining is the same info Dems and Reps use in gathering voter information.
Biden says he's inclined to accept what the witnesses would have said as truthful, the part that confuses Biden is it started in the Clinton administration, continued through Bush administration. Biden doesn't understand why Pentagon is so adament it be hidden. Doesn't understand why a cover -up is necessary. to protect Clinton? to protect Bush?
Biden will submit questions in writing.
Specter asks about "character assasination' Weldon says witnesses were threatened, LTC Schaaeffffer haad his security clearance removed day before yesterday. Weldon says Pentagon's Larry Dirita questioned the memory of Philpottt.
Weldon says the pentagon did not conduct a formal investigation. No notes, not supoenas, just "informal" meetings.
Eileen Prisser (sp) concurs Atta was identified by Able Danger before 9-ll.
Clines Smith (sp) is contractor who will tesstify today who told him to destroy Able Danger data, and threatened with loss of job andd possible jail if he refused.
General Lambert was the Able Danger customer who wasn't told data was destroyed.
Kyle will "game" why pentagon might want to keep testimony from being made public.
Because it might reveal ability, might tip somebody off they were part of an investigation.
Weldon says he agrees with Kyle those concerns are bogus. The information was open source, not classified. "Vote Smart" is the political project to ID voters....it's the same as Able Danger. 'you mean we can use open source mining for votes, but not for national security?"
Grassley makes an appearance, he hopes despite the Pentagon's resisstance, that Specter will continue to pursue this. Grassley sayss, "you can't have the pentagon hiding information from the congress." What's at stake here is whether we are going to let the Pentagon prrevent us from doing their jobs. All those stars and ribbons must not prevent us from doing our jobs.
Grassley will submit questions in writing.
Two weeks after 9-ll, Able Danger info fwas taken to Weldon. Weldon took info to Steven Hadley. Hadley asked, "where'd you get this info on Atta and the Brooklyn Cell?"
Hadley said, "ive got to show this to the man", meaning the president. Hadley was deputy national security chairman.
Slate Gorton has written a letter to Specter which will be put into the record. Damn! I wish Specter had read it aloud. !!
Weldon leaves witness table.
Three lawyers comprise 2nd panel. They speak for their clients.
Mark Zaid, looks very young. He says he's here as surrogate, his lawfirm represents covert clientss involved with national security
LTC Schaeffer, James Smith, private contractor, are his clients.
Zaid says sthis is not a partisan issue, both sides involved in CYA. Nothing is classified
No Pentagon official has told Zaid they were concerned with classified info getting out.
Come over here - we're up to nearly two hundred posts on this thread:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1488396/posts?page=124
The data was deleted based on the regulations that require all data be destroyed within 90 days. An Army regulation.
My experience is that this would apply to any program that has been terminated. Waivers are possible but not automatic. So the real destroyer of the data is the person who killed the program. That triggers the regulation that ends up destroying the data. The key here is not who ordered the destruction (some Army lawyer) but who ordered the program killed.
Do we know who killed the program?
This is such a hideous pattern of behavior. Think of flight 800 blown up over Long Island Sound. Nobody in his right mind bought the faulty widget story Clinton's FAA put out. And there was that other plane that went down right after 9/11, in neighborhoods where NY Firefighters lived. There was some talk that terrorists might have fiddled with the tail mechanism, but that was squelched fast. As bad as the truth is sometimes, it's far better to face it and deal with it than sweep it under the bed.
Nooooooo! Whatever would give you that idea ..??
With Gorelick calling Weldon and telling him, "I didn't do anything wrong", I suspect it's even an bigger hornet's nest than we know.
"Shaffer's lawyer, Mark Zaid on now."
Interesting bed fellows.
Mark Zaid is the executive director of the James Madison Project.
http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/advisoryboard.html
Advisory Board
Roger Charles
David Kahn
John D. Podesta
Thomas M. Susman, Esq.
Isn't it ironic that these gentlemen lose their security clearances, but little Sandy Berger, the erstwhile National Security expert who violates every security regulation he can, will get his back? Just in time to serve in the Bitch's administration.
The Buzz
Eric Pfeiffer Reporting
Able Danger: Dis-Abled
Committee attendance has been pretty light this morning. Ranking member Pat Leahy is preparing to speak on John Roberts before the full Senate, so he is not in attendance. The only Democrat to appear so far has been Joe Biden, who entered the meeting late and had to leave immediately after asking his first and only question. On the GOP side, Chairman Arlen Specter is the only Republican who has been in attendance the entire time. Jon Kyl is now in attendance, as is Chuck Grassley.
However, just like with yesterday’s hearing, the public seating section is full and the backflow is at its capacity as well.
[ 09/21/2005 10:26 AM]
Source:
http://buzz.nationalreview.com/077066.asp
I thought it was a felony to PREVENT someone from testifying.
Join this with the other current thread tried of jumping three threads.
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