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Challenged by Creationists, Museums Answer Back
The New York Times ^ | 9/20/2005 | CORNELIA DEAN

Posted on 09/20/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

ITHACA, N.Y. - Lenore Durkee, a retired biology professor, was volunteering as a docent at the Museum of the Earth here when she was confronted by a group of seven or eight people, creationists eager to challenge the museum exhibitions on evolution.

They peppered Dr. Durkee with questions about everything from techniques for dating fossils to the second law of thermodynamics, their queries coming so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply.

After about 45 minutes, "I told them I needed to take a break," she recalled. "My mouth was dry."

That encounter and others like it provided the impetus for a training session here in August. Dr. Durkee and scores of other volunteers and staff members from the museum and elsewhere crowded into a meeting room to hear advice from the museum director, Warren D. Allmon, on ways to deal with visitors who reject settled precepts of science on religious grounds.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Colorado; US: Nebraska; US: New York; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: creationuts; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; evobots; evonuts; museum
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To: Junior
I'm game. How would you use the Bible to test "God did it?" Would it be the same method by which I could use the LoTR to show that Gandalf really did battle the Balrog on the bridge in Moria?

Hey now!

621 posted on 09/20/2005 5:42:23 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Prime Choice; DGray

Are you saying that a museum is the equivalent of an evolutionists church? Interesting.


622 posted on 09/20/2005 5:43:06 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: jwalsh07
Please provide a quote from President Bush denying that evolution happens.

Ah, the old jwalsh07 style of 'honest debate'. The claim was not made that Bush believes that evolution never happens. The claim was made that Bush (like many Americans) does not 'accept evolution'. And he does not, at least not in the sense that the scientific community accepts evolution. The scientific community does not agree that ID is scientific alternative to evolution, or that there is a real debate about it. Bush does. And since the question was from a science reporter to the MIT President, I think it's reasonable to take that as the context.

Please provide a quote from President Bush stating that human activity has no effect on Earths climate

There you go again. Efforts to improve our environment must be based on sound science, not social fads. Scientific data show average temperatures have increased slightly during this century, but both the causes and the impact of this slight warming are uncertain.

Bush clearly does not, or did not at that time, accept it as an established scientific finding that human activity was affecting the earth's climate.

And to save time, lets agree that failing to provide such quotes, which don't exist, this woman is a story teller in the tradition of the Brothers Grimm, OK?

No, let's accept you're trying to lawyer your way out of some unfortunate facts. As usual.

623 posted on 09/20/2005 5:52:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

If the creationists are correct, the evolutionists will have eternity to reflect upon their miscalculations.

If the evolutionists are correct, we will all just cease to exist when we die.


624 posted on 09/20/2005 5:54:15 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: Diplomat
The identification of the Mafia as The Mob is obviously a dervative definition dating only from the 20th centuty.

The questioners were a "mob" in the original sense of "the uncultured and illiterate as a class" OED late 17th century

Hope this helps.

625 posted on 09/20/2005 5:54:41 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. - Richard Feynman)
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To: RightWinger
If the creationists are correct, the evolutionists will have eternity to reflect upon their miscalculations.

Pascal's Wager. There are many problems with the logic. For starters, it is a false dichotomy. Both could be wrong - maybe life was created by Allah or Odin.

626 posted on 09/20/2005 5:59:08 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Right Wing Professor

LOL, you should be ashamed of yourself. Not one quote confirming this particular left wing New York Times lunatic assertions about Bush but bs aplenty.


627 posted on 09/20/2005 5:59:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07 ("Don't get stuck on stupid!" General Honore to twit reporter)
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To: Quark2005; PatrickHenry
One is the darling of evolutionists, one is the champion of the creationists. Can you guess which is which?
The creationist is the one with the bigger head.

The blonde is the creationist

628 posted on 09/20/2005 6:00:00 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. - Richard Feynman)
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To: bikepacker67

In most cases...Evos reduce it to the Big Bang and such.

That is some sort of creation deal.


629 posted on 09/20/2005 6:00:39 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: VadeRetro
The thread about the downfall of Moonie Wells's talking point numbero uno.
630 posted on 09/20/2005 6:01:55 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: DGray

The dogma is in the plates and readouts while they tour you around, so he/she is spreading the Evo deal.


631 posted on 09/20/2005 6:02:01 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: Right Wing Professor
No, let's accept you're trying to lawyer your way out of some unfortunate facts. As usual.

And to keep the record straight Professor, I'm a blue collar guy, not a lawyer. I know bs when I see it and your defense of this leftist twits leading question is just that, bs. In fact, it is so much bs, I'm thinking of starting a whole new thread entitled Freeper Right Wing Professors Use of BS to Defend New York Times Twit Lying About Bush.

Good title?

632 posted on 09/20/2005 6:04:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07 ("Don't get stuck on stupid!" General Honore to twit reporter)
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To: D Rider

Are you saying that a museum is the equivalent of an evolutionists church? Interesting.




I think an argument could be made for this assertion.


633 posted on 09/20/2005 6:09:00 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: VadeRetro
numbero uno

I know! I know! "Pick a language and stick to it." Baissez mon cul, Gendarmes de Langue!

634 posted on 09/20/2005 6:09:46 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

You ever read the Koran (Qu'ran)?

I don't think so.


However, some say the word "God" is just on languages expression for the Supreme Being.

There are some that say Allah is just arabic for the God of the Bible BEFORE Muhammed, and that he just redefined the whole picture.


635 posted on 09/20/2005 6:11:59 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: balrog666

In retrospect, I guess I should've pinged you...


636 posted on 09/20/2005 6:12:14 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: JeffAtlanta

The "I don't think so" does not refer to your having or not read the Koran.

It refers to Allah, in the Islamic sense, being the creator of all we know. I don't think so, except if the name truly originates from some arabic languages to address the God of the Bible.

Anybody out there know of such origination research?


637 posted on 09/20/2005 6:16:04 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777
In terms of linguistic roots, their Allah is your "El elyon" or "Elohim." However, the latter terms are thought to be holdovers from the Canaanite polytheism. El was the chief god of a pantheon that included Baal as Number Two.
638 posted on 09/20/2005 6:19:00 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: D Rider

No. That's not what I'm saying.


639 posted on 09/20/2005 6:19:12 PM PDT by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: js1138

That is wonderful, but that doesn't make it right.

Remember the dude who helped roast Clinton in Arkansas, and then became a flaming homosexual liberal?

If Denton has flipped sides, what does that really prove, other than he has changed his mind.

Perhaps he got tired of the evos telling him "you are no longer a scientist" and being cast into the outer darkness the evos prepare for all they disagree with.


640 posted on 09/20/2005 6:19:13 PM PDT by joyspring777
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