Posted on 09/19/2005 6:01:22 PM PDT by gobucks
But, if that just don't beat all! The jig is up fellas!! The leftists have got us all figured out.
-- (By contrast, today's IDers have gone further and adopted the epistemology of the left--the idea that ostensibly scientific truths may be relative.--
We, the clever folks who have bought into the idea that truth is relative and whoever has the most power gets to create the stuff known as 'truth'. Ahem, just when did we do this? I didn't get the memo...
(gee, we must keep well-thumbed copies of Kuhn by our commodes even!!!),
and we the clever folks who have decided that since the revealed word of our Lord is insufficient, why, we'll clevely adopt leftist postmodern tactics to win the fight against the godless, communistic, atheistic, amoralistic, father-hating, scoundrels of the left.
I had absolutely NO IDEA we were that smart, that they are so worried they opened Pandora's Postmodern box, and now, much like Islamo fundies, we're going to use this 'master weapon' against them. The tone of this article is just comical.
But, then again, maybe we are that unbelievably ...; after all, W is, still, the President. (*sounds of quiet chuckling and the whispered word ...'Rove'....*)....
I know you like reading and posting stuff like this from this high brow mag read by low brow knuckleheads on the left.
Enjoy!
I thought that their problem with ID was that it was supposedly not falsifiable. There is a huge difference between that and being "empirically false." This writer doesn't know what he is talking about.
I, and the other evolutionist-scientists here at FR, have been consistent in positing the view of this quoted paragraph for quite some time now---namely, that the ID "movement" could: (1.) undermine science and (2.) undermine conservatism (because of its association with ID as portrayed by the MSM.)
It seems to me that, for a variety of reasons, ID/creationists do not have regard for objective and empirical observations. Truth to them is merely a matter of who can shout the loudest and, as such, is purely political.
((((ping))))
Ping for the ID folks ... I found the article actually very encouraging...
The exposure of how a leftist thinks ... just another form of gathering, ahem, enemy intelligence.
I had a hunch you'd like it. See, we are all friends in the Freeper Sandbox, and we can play nice.... :)
Thanks for posting it, BTW.
Whose reality?
That would be a double secret Darwin Central literary reference.
"science-rejecting creationists"
Here we go again, lumping ID in with creationists (i.e. those that take the bible literally).
You folks who dismiss ID as science rejecting are not very well informed. In fact, ID supporters assert that it is established science which is "science rejecting" when the issue of first causes (and evolution) is raised.
Please, lets keep this argument fair...
If you really want to know what ID is all about with respect to questioning the dogma of evolution read Phillip Johnson's "Darwin on Trial." He is not a biblical literalist, though he is a Christian. They are certainly not mutually exclusive except to the ignorant.
And for very intelligent, thoughtful, and powerful, though not scientific, arguments regarding the existence of God and the truth of Christ, read GK Chesterton's works on the matter and C.S. Lewis too.
Or you could still argue from ignorance, emotion and ingrained prejudice...your call.
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George Orwell picked up on this phenomenon long before 1993.
When a proposition is empirically false, as both creationism and ID (to the extent that it makes empirical claims) are, you're free to assert its truth; you just can't call it science. The creationists had no problem with this; they just rejected any science that contradicted the Bible. But the IDers aspire to scientific truth. Unfortunately, the only way to claim that something empirically false is scientifically true is to question science's capacity for sorting out truth from falsehood, the same way postmodernists do.
Yeah sure, and they're not really Liberals, they are really Progressives
I hate to tell you, but you're not fooling anyone
Hah!!!
"Joy to Thee and Me. Confusion to Our Enemies"
"Yeah sure, and they're not really Liberals, they are really Progressives
I hate to tell you, but you're not fooling anyone"
Huh? Are you saying that those that believe in Intelligent Design, i.e. God, are all liberals?
Or are you saying that those that believe that a fair assessement of evolution should include its many flaws are all liberals?
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