Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

WHAT HAPPENED ON FLIGHT 17? (UPDATED: NO MISSILE, JUST BIRDS)
Michelle Malkin ^ | 9/18/05 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 09/18/2005 8:41:33 AM PDT by frankjr

***scroll down for an important update***

A number of us in the blogosphere have been catching wind of rumors that a surface-to-air missile was fired at an America West flight originating out of New York. Here's a post at Little Green Footballs, where many commenters are wisely skeptical but wanting more info.

I just got off the phone with Phil Gee, associate manager of media relations at America West, who promptly returned my late evening call. Here's what he told me:

On Sept. 15 (Thursday), America West Flight 17 took off from JFK Airport at 6:05pm EDT [Update: The actual time of departure was 6:49 pm. -MM]. The captain "took the initiative," says Gee, and reported an "irregularity" to air traffic control as the plane was ascending. The plane continued to Phoenix and landed safely at 8:55pm MST. FBI and other authorities met and interviewed all of the crew and passengers on the plane. The investigation is continuing.

Gee would not say whether the pilot or other crew or passengers reported witnessing a missile firing.

"Nothing is confirmed," Gee said.

***

Although one tipster says America West has informed its pilots of the incident, Gee denied that any company bulletin has been issued. Gee mentioned that he had heard that other airline pilots had posted about the incident on an online forum. E-mail or trackback if you have seen other pilot accounts.

***

Update: A government aviation official who asked me not to reveal her name says the "missile siting was [a] false alarm:"

The sighting was reported near Colt's Neck, NJ, which is a major route south out of NY. FAA set up a small temporary flight restriction around the area while checking radar files. Turned out to be nothing more than birds, and [a] big game of "telephone."

***


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; airlinesecurity; americawest; flight17; jfkairport; sam; samattack
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-92 next last
To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Actually the best coverup / conspiracy theory book that I've read lately is "Red Star Rogue" .... K-129 .... the failed Soviet nuclear attack on the United States.


61 posted on 09/18/2005 2:01:41 PM PDT by Yasotay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Yasotay

I been meaning to get that book. Is it any good?


62 posted on 09/18/2005 2:03:24 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: hombre_sincero
I don't know what an "irregularity" means, but the engine(s) could have ingested one (or more) of the birds (or the birds might have gotten sucked against the air intake, blocking it), resulting in some problems with the airplane operations or some unusual gage readings.
63 posted on 09/18/2005 2:04:09 PM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [D] comprises fewer than the minority [R])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

>>>Fascinating. A flock of birds approximately 1 foot wide, 5 feet long, who's tailfeathers are all on fire.

Not a flock...just one big-*ssed bird that got into a stash of jalapeno-sunflower seeds and overindulged...just a big ol' flyin' blowtorch... :)


64 posted on 09/18/2005 2:08:18 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: Paul_Denton
It actually is a GREAT book .... the authors do a VERY good job of 'painting the whole picture'. What makes me want to believe the book is the 'diving bell' incident .... it really is an "in your face" moment to the Soviets.
65 posted on 09/18/2005 2:09:31 PM PDT by Yasotay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
This is why I object to the posting of rumors. All it does is start a panic which will later be rehashed as "proof of the conspiracy to keep the truth from all of us" by a bunch of slackjawed morons.

It sure gives one a mindset of "reactive" instead of "proactive" when it comes to taking action doesn't it?

66 posted on 09/18/2005 2:14:23 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: EGPWS

More like "centered in reality" versus "conspiracy f***nuts."


67 posted on 09/18/2005 2:15:26 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: frankjr
Turned out to be nothing more than birds, and [a] big game of "telephone."

Birds can be terrorists too!

Did any of the media note any "crescent" shapes on the wings of the perpetrating birds?

68 posted on 09/18/2005 2:18:11 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
More like "centered in reality" versus "conspiracy f***nuts."

ROTFLMAO with a feeling of melancholy..

69 posted on 09/18/2005 2:20:41 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: EGPWS
I hear ya.

If we all start jumping at shadows, we're going to be fatigued when the genuine article comes charging at our doorstep.

Ever notice the same people who think far-reaching government conspiracies are real are usually the same folks who think that pro wrestling is real and the lunar landing was fake?

70 posted on 09/18/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
Ever notice the same people who think far-reaching government conspiracies are real are usually the same folks who think that pro wrestling is real and the lunar landing was fake?

Some are still "wrestling" with the idea that the moon doesn't exist and the earth is flat.

71 posted on 09/18/2005 2:28:33 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Yasotay

Very Cool. I am definantly going to get that book.


72 posted on 09/18/2005 2:30:32 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: frankjr

Flights were delayed. And apparently, a different runway was used. had some people whose flight was delayed on the tarmac for over an hour.

FWIW.


73 posted on 09/18/2005 2:31:42 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EGPWS
"Sometimes the truth is so precious it must be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies." ... Winston Churchill.

It's simple .... release the tapes and talk to the pilots. Then decide.

74 posted on 09/18/2005 2:35:45 PM PDT by Yasotay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: EGPWS
Some are still "wrestling" with the idea that the moon doesn't exist and the earth is flat.

I care not to think which way they vote. (((shudder)))

75 posted on 09/18/2005 2:43:28 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Yasotay
It's simple .... release the tapes and talk to the pilots. Then decide.

Nothing happened on a scale worth contemplating.

Perhaps a congressional panel of experts (at a fee) could put closure to this issue.

76 posted on 09/18/2005 2:53:58 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
I care not to think which way they vote. (((shudder)))

I shudder at the vision of when they do go to the polls and are asked for proof of residency their response is "BHAAA".

77 posted on 09/18/2005 2:57:52 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: EGPWS
I shudder at the vision of when they do go to the polls and are asked for proof of residency their response is "BHAAA".

At which point the pollworker leans forward, sniffs, and says, "Smells bad...has no social graces...and is wild about grass. Harry! We got another Libertarian here!"

Hehehehehehehe!   :o)

78 posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
At which point the poll worker leans forward, sniffs, and says, "Smells bad...has no social graces...and is wild about grass. Harry! We got another Libertarian here!"

I feel as though I owe you for you are doing all of my footwork and saving me from many posts! ; )

LoL!

Great post!

79 posted on 09/18/2005 3:17:53 PM PDT by EGPWS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice
This is why I object to the posting of rumors. All it does is start a panic which will later be rehashed as "proof of the conspiracy to keep the truth from all of us" by a bunch of slackjawed morons.

I love rumors.

Some turn out to be true, some don't, but I like watching the process where they're are weakened or strengthened in real time on the internet.

BTW, Al Gore is gay.

80 posted on 09/18/2005 3:21:15 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson