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Strike cost could top $1 billion
Seattle Times ^ | September 16, 2005 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 09/16/2005 11:26:55 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

A three-month strike would cost the aerospace giant a hefty $1.1 billion in operating profits, according to an internal company analysis prepared for top executives. That's more than the commercial-airplanes unit's profit for all of last year.

A one-month strike would be much less costly. But even that could potentially delay by a month the debut of the company's new 787 jet.

To avoid that, Boeing is considering alternative suppliers for parts originally scheduled to be made by Machinists at its Auburn plant.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aircrafts; airplanes; aviation; ba; boeing; dreamliner; strike; unions

1 posted on 09/16/2005 11:26:57 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan; COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; ...

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2 posted on 09/16/2005 11:43:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Boeing is considering alternative suppliers...

Note to self: Buy Boeing jets from now on...

3 posted on 09/16/2005 11:47:29 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

I think the union has just about guaranteed that Boeing will do a major redesign on the 737. It will involve moving parts manufacturing to suppliers, with final assembly performed by Boeing.


They should have the letter "L" written in red on their foreheads.


4 posted on 09/17/2005 12:11:51 AM PDT by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Unions can not survive in the market place these days, only in a monopoly like the government and jobs also attached like the dock workers and teacher's union.

We need to end it, not mend it IMO.


5 posted on 09/17/2005 12:15:25 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: gogeo

"I think the union has just about guaranteed that Boeing will do a major redesign on the 737. It will involve moving parts manufacturing to suppliers, with final assembly performed by Boeing.
They should have the letter "L" written in red on their foreheads."

When Boeing sold the facility here in Wichita they sold the primary facility for the 737 and 787 section 41 manufacturing. They are not on strike. Boeing has been moving from a manufacturer to an integrator for some time. For us on the military side we have to drive through the strike lines everyday. It is interesting that here in Wichita the average age of the strikers is 49. There is not much enthusiam on the picket lines.


6 posted on 09/17/2005 5:50:01 AM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: dozer7
There is not much enthusiam on the picket lines.

Nor is there in Seattle. They have the enthusiasm of a Heroin Addict at this point. No way is this like the '95 IAM Strike, that was like a party 24/7. All of these guys have real nice toys too.
7 posted on 09/17/2005 10:16:21 AM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

There just has to be a very interesting story behind that picture.


8 posted on 09/17/2005 10:18:15 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: Spruce

There is.


9 posted on 09/17/2005 10:20:32 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: dozer7

It's interesting, though, that the machinists are giving up their paychecks to be on strike, and whatever benefits and economic package they "win" will be passed along to the professional bargaining unit, because SPEEA's contract is up on Dec 1, and then pretty much the same package will be offered to nonrepresented employees.

Not really sure why the machinists so blindly follow their leadership who tells them to go on strike. Their negotiation team receives a fully salary, don't they? I know their IAM president Mark Blondin receives his full salary while the rank and file give up their paycheck. I would hope they would smarten up one of these years.


10 posted on 09/19/2005 11:14:56 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: gogeo

Redesigning the 737 has nothing to do with the strike. It has to do with getting similar fuel efficiency like the 787 will have. You're right, TBC has been moving into a being a large scale system integrator, and if you notice, most of the machinists were not recalled to the Auburn plant where they make parts and they sold parts of that plant to Safeway and the YMCA. LOL

I agree that it looks like the union is not too enthused this year. Many of them have just returned to work after a long layoff due to 9/11. They need their paychecks. I have heard many of them want to go back to work, but they don't know how to get their union leadership off their butts to start renegotiating.


11 posted on 09/19/2005 11:22:34 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: phantomworker

"It's interesting, though, that the machinists are giving up their paychecks to be on strike, and whatever benefits and economic package they "win" will be passed along to the professional bargaining unit, because SPEEA's contract is up on Dec 1, and then pretty much the same package will be offered to nonrepresented employees.

Not really sure why the machinists so blindly follow their leadership who tells them to go on strike. Their negotiation team receives a fully salary, don't they? I know their IAM president Mark Blondin receives his full salary while the rank and file give up their paycheck. I would hope they would smarten up one of these years."


IAM here in Wichita is a very small part of the union (900 maybe) Seattle is driving the strike. At last count about 25% are crossing the picket lines. It certainly not like the strike 10 years ago. SPEEA claims they are watching the strike to develop their strategy for the first of the year. I am not a member of SPEEA and get a lot of recruitment lectures of late. The last strike by SPEEA was kind of disorganized. If they have a plan this time they are not telling anybody.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 3:22:25 AM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: dozer7

In Kent, there are only a handful of IAM strikers that stand on one corner. I have been honking and waving at them until I got my new Celica last week, and now they won't look at me. LOL

I am a member of SPEEA as a CR for the main reason so I can influence what happens to me. (I also belong to Boeing Management Assoc, LOL). I have been sending email to the negotiation team telling them that we do NOT want to strike and the reasons why. Did you consider letting them know how you feel. I encourage all people in my district to voice their opinion and I forward their email to Charles himself. SO many people just blindly follow. Not me.


13 posted on 09/21/2005 7:11:24 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: cmsgop

How are the strikers doing this week in Seattle? Are you at the DC? It seems like they are getting more and discouraged, yet they don't complain about it to their "leaders". Don't understand how they can follow like sheep.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 7:20:15 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: phantomworker
Hey, So Today I drive by and there are just a few,(Scattered Few) On East Marginal (Boeing Field Area) No Horn Honks , No Support, No Nothing, at this point the Homeless look happier. Now Everett and Renton supposedly have more strikers, but if Boeing Field is any indicator of Morale they are Toast. I was around in the '95 Strike and that was a party 24/7, this is a slow funeral IMHO.
15 posted on 09/21/2005 7:51:58 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: cmsgop

That's funny. Or sad, however you want to look at it. The Homeless look happier. LOL. There are a couple SPEEA VP's at the DC. I know Cynthia was out there herself at least once. Does Boeing Field have many hourly workers? So many are just coming back from that long layoff due to 9/11 and I'll bet they feel screwed to be off again!

Why do the IAM follow so blindly like that? Especially while their leaders are collecting their regular paychecks. I think I'd be at the union hall demanding some action.


16 posted on 09/21/2005 8:04:40 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: phantomworker

SPEEA that's another thing, their contract is up in Dec. What Then ???


17 posted on 09/21/2005 8:24:34 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: cmsgop

They think whatever the IAM gets, they will get, which makes sense. They are waiting to see what happens.


18 posted on 09/21/2005 8:32:29 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: phantomworker

Yup !


19 posted on 09/21/2005 8:34:41 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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