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Law Would Require Cleaning Ice, Snow From Cars
The Associated Press ^ | September 15, 2005 | AP

Posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:32 PM PDT by Westlander

BOSTON -- It's cold, it's snowing, and there's ice and snow on the car. So you hop in and go without clearing off all the winter precipitation.

That might soon be against the law in Massachusetts.

The state Legislature is considering a bill that would mean fines of up to $500 and a six-month stay in jail.

The bill is designed to reduce the danger from chunks of snow and ice flying off car roofs or hoods.

If it passes, Massachusetts could become the first state to require snow- and ice-free cars.


TOPICS: Government; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: ice; liberals; massachusetts; nannystate; snow
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To: Westlander

Fine with me. I've been hit. Not a good thing to happen when you are zipping along on a highway.

I keep away from all cars with snow/ice on top. Sometimes that innocent snow has a bed of ice under it, and a warm car can send it flying. I especially keep away from any van or truck with a flat top.

If people can't take personal responsibility, then the threat of of $$$$$$$ fine should do it.

Bring it on!.


41 posted on 09/15/2005 8:58:31 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: NonValueAdded
HAHAHA!! My brother got out of his car at a stoplight once, and took his scraper out & brushed off the front & tail lights on the car in front of him so he wouldn't rear-end him!

He described the look on the driver's face as he watched this 6'+ tall hippie-looking guy with a huge afro coming toward him with a big "stick" in his hand...

I wonder if that driver ever did that again?
42 posted on 09/15/2005 9:02:13 PM PDT by Smarti Pants (~This American Patriot will never forget !!!~)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Common sense is not common.

You'd think it would not just be common sense but common courtesy, especially if you've ever found yourself trying to hit the dirt on your floor mats as chunks come flying at you at 75 per.

It's going to hard to shovel the roof of your semi, I betcha.


43 posted on 09/15/2005 9:02:29 PM PDT by wildehunt (I told them they'd need horses...)
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To: Westlander

I live in Alaska and this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. Common sense dictates that you clear your windows for visibility, but If your following close enough to be hit by ice or snow falling off a vehicle, you are following too close and deserve it! Of course, most tailgating up here limits itself to the first sudden stop where the offender rear ends the car in front of them. one car length per ten miles an hour really means something on icy roads.


44 posted on 09/15/2005 9:06:40 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: Keith in Iowa

Tailgating !


45 posted on 09/15/2005 9:06:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: staytrue

Not true. I was driving on I-20 through Dallas after a rare snow/ice storm a few years ago and one of those 50 lb frozen frisbees sailed off a car well ahead of me and landed on my roof. Fortunately it didn't hit my windshield. This is an objective hazard...fortunately we don't have to deal with it here as much as they do in snow country. People should lay off the kneejerk responses and analyze whether a law is actually necessary. This one doesn't interfere with anyone's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness, doesn't infringe on anyone's freedome in any material way, and does make the highways safer.


46 posted on 09/15/2005 9:07:18 PM PDT by kms61
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To: Species8472

It doesn't just fall. A frozen slab of ice peeling off the top of a vehicle at highway speeds has aerodynamic properties and can sail a long way. I've seen it happen and been hit, and I wasn't tailgating.


47 posted on 09/15/2005 9:09:37 PM PDT by kms61
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To: staytrue
" If it hits your car, you are way too close and traveling at a very high speed."

BINGO!!!!!!

48 posted on 09/15/2005 9:10:02 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: Paladin2

>>>Tailgating !

Is that sarcasm???

One can be behind a vehicle with the requisite space between, and be impacted when debris flies of the front vehicle. You've never had it happen to you apparently...


49 posted on 09/15/2005 9:11:22 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?)
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To: kms61

You exagerate. A 50 pound block of ice would be about 1 ft thick, 2 ft. by 3 ft. and it would be solid ice not the crackly, crumbly stuff normally on cars.


50 posted on 09/15/2005 9:17:36 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Westlander
Liberal lunacy...

Nope, it's really pro-life conservatism at its best because endangering others because you're too lazy to clear off your car is just plain criminal.

I hope they also crack down on the "peephole" drivers who clear off just a tiny spot on the windshield and never even attempt the side windows.

51 posted on 09/15/2005 9:17:58 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
In winter, the "rules" change. 18 Wheelers are given a MUCH larger berth after they join the highway. Smaller vehicles are given appropriate berth. Winter rules are much different than Summer rules where braking distances are the only major concern.

There are old Pilots and bold Pilots, but no old, bold Pilots.

52 posted on 09/15/2005 9:18:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: kms61

I challenge you to create a block of ice that weighs 50 lbs. and that can still "fly like a frisbee".


53 posted on 09/15/2005 9:19:16 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Okay, 20 pounds. or 15 pounds. Or even ten pounds. Something like that hitting your windshield at 50 MPH will ruin your day, to say the least.


54 posted on 09/15/2005 9:22:14 PM PDT by kms61
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To: AD from SpringBay
New MASS law:

Shake three times, but no more than three times.

If you shake more than three times, that means you're playing with it.

55 posted on 09/15/2005 9:23:03 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean's Democratic Party: Traitors, Haters, and Vacillators)
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To: Smarti Pants

So let's outlaw pebbles, as well.


56 posted on 09/15/2005 9:24:51 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: kms61
I take it you've never been hit by a flying slab of ice while driving down the freeway.

I bet Mary Jo had she not been murdered by Fat Ted would prefer the river had been frozen over, she may have lived long enough to beat the hell out of him.  True enough 'flying ice' can be dangerous but the bigger danger is those who take the wheel in the first place, and it's not about ice, it's about personal responsibility - and that can't be legislated.  

57 posted on 09/15/2005 9:26:10 PM PDT by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the North as an example of a failed welfare state.)
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To: Westlander

Hey, not that my state of Florida is PERFECT...but...what are you all doing in Massachusetts about drunken drivers arrested multiple times (Joan Kennedy 4 times)? Shouldn't the MA atty general be concerned about someone who gets repeated probation but continues to drive drunk? And you're worried about SNOW?

Thanks for the article, Westlander..:)


58 posted on 09/15/2005 9:26:26 PM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: kms61
I've been driving energrncy vehicles (Fire and EMS) for 30 years up here and seen plenty of snow and ice come off of all kinds of vehicles and NEVER been hit (my area of Alaska gets 600 - 800 inches a year). Situational awareness is paramount during winter driving. Don't speed in winter driving conditions and don't tailgate snow covered trucks and you wont get hit. Take responsibility for your own safety and you wont have to deal with someone like me when you screw up.

Stay Safe!

59 posted on 09/15/2005 9:27:11 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: Alberta's Child
a chunk of ice falling off the top of an 18-wheeler can be deadly.

True.  But you are much more likely to get killed when one of the tires shreds and goes through your windshield.
60 posted on 09/15/2005 9:30:43 PM PDT by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the North as an example of a failed welfare state.)
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