Posted on 09/15/2005 4:52:29 PM PDT by Howlin
Edited on 09/15/2005 5:05:17 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
9 P.M. EDT.
Sorry you are not feeling up to par.
This thread is typical of the DU, & third party folks
having their brain farts
Is it cause they were all over here?
Hope you feel better!
The Constitution and federal laws DO NOT guarantee the above provisions (which is why we had to pass a state initiative).
Folks who think the billions of dollars of federal aid won't be funneled through private businesses are a bit naive.
Miss having you around! :) That will soon change once fall turns to winter though, I'll be on more. :)
I'm still trying to figure out what minority set asides Bush was referring to. Saying that it's a good thing for a black person to run a business isn't a set aside. I see some putting words in his mouth.
OMG--I think you are delusional. One out of four people in that city collected a welfare check every month. This is setting a huge precedent and encouraging the already demented belief that the governement is there to take care of you. And morons like us are supposed to get up and go to work 7 months out the year to pay for it all.
how?
more money?
how long term?
maybe you are young and don't remember?
our culture was better off financially overall in urban areas and black crime and illegitimacy were much lower prior to the last great giveaway back in the 60s.
and so were our schools.
throwing money at something broke is more tomfoolery.
besides rebuilding the destroyed infrastructure and homes for folks displaced and who have lost everything...what do folks here expect?
That GW is gonna end poverty and cure the urban poor's ills by platitudes and more tax dollars and talk of minority set asides?
I cannot believe so many freepers buy that.
Emotive reasoning calling itself conservative realism.
I'm actually very even handed, though my critics would beg to differ on that point.
Lovely seeing you! :-)
Ever heard of the civil rights laws?
Sounds just like Pelosi and Reid! Or Teddy and Dean! etc., etc.! Gasp, not FR! :)
There was also a slide presentation that I can't get to come up now, that definately showed the National Guard with supplies immediately after the hurrican hit. Very good job done by a young man who worked at one of the hotels in the French Section.
You are right. It is obvious that some of these posters do not have a clue as to what has happened to the coast and inland for many miles.
They also claimed no allegiance to man or party, yet they all seemed to be drinking from the same Kool-Aid.
Your post is dead on, but there is a portion of the population mired in poverty, maybe uneducable, certainly dumb and dumber, some on drugs, and we carry them on our backs 365 days of the year, year after year, and we deal with the consequences of hopeless poverty and generational stupidity, and the hundreds of thousands who commit crimes and end up in prison. This is a chance to try and turn some of that around. Certainly it won't solve everything, but we have to try. It's beyond sad to simply write them off as worthless. (And it's better than posting a sheriff on a bridge to keep them out of the suburbs.)
That is not what the President said. He said they are going to make it more attractive to business and employ local people. It will be like the WPA but using the private sector to a great degree.
This area will attract a great deal of businesses from all around the world therefore many times the revenue and tax revenue coming out of the area. The people of New Orleans will have jobs, not welfare checks.
Actually its unlikely that I get much or even any petrolatum products from the Gulf area, but as to the larger point we all benefit from economic activity no matter where it is located, that is probably true. But does that mean that I am on the hook to insure against everyone's losses? No.
Let's do a little thought experiment. I live in Maine. In recent years a number of Maine shoe factories have shut down. The machinery is not junked, it is shipped overseas. No doubt some of it was shipped through New Orleans, say it went down to Mexico. The Port got its tariffs for the use of its facilities, and the International Longshoreman's Association Local 3000 got its cut for the loading of the machinery. (The local towns and the workers affected felt that they had had an economic disaster, but that doesn't show up on national TV)
Now the shoes from the Mexican factory are shipped through the Port of New Orleans. Again the Port gets its cut, and so do its workers, the longshoremen. The entire Port economy benefits. The costs of shipping through the Port will be added into the price of the shoes and when I go to the shoe store I will pay that cost in the whole price of the shoe. So I arguably received a benefit but I've paid for it, and the Port has received payment.
Now because I benefited from the purchase of that pair of shoes, you want to send me the bill to repair the whole port, plus the entire region? You and I also benefit from oil production in Venezuela (even if we don't directly use Venezuelan oil products)--are we on the hook for the reconstruction costs if a hurricane hits Venezuela?
The reality is that the Port of New Orleans and other port facilities in the area are economically important and will have little problem raising the necessary funds in capital markets to restore normal operations. And the rest of the area economy and even most of the real-estate would also rebound, without the Federal government's promise of an undefined, almost unlimited flow of money, but without the Federal money, the funds will be spent much more wisely, much more frugally.
If 100% of the population was on Welfare what would you suggest we do? ......... Ignore them, let them starve to death, or should we fire up the ovens and get rid of those you consider not worthy?
There does seem to be a lot of kooks out tonight for some reason.
Bingo.
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