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Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders [Names to be given]
The Associated Press ^ | September 15, 2005 | By DONNA DE LA CRUZ

Posted on 09/15/2005 3:45:45 PM PDT by johnny7

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To: struggle
The Republicans are using partisan politics and diverting attention from the real tragedy of Katrina! How dare they!

You only have it half right: the Republicans created the weather patterns that spawned Katrina so they could divert our attention from the real tragedy of that girl gone wild in Aruba ... what was her name?

101 posted on 09/15/2005 5:34:15 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Argus

Does the name RICHARD CLARKE ring a bell? Former terrorist czar?


JEDI.


102 posted on 09/15/2005 6:40:02 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Borax Queen
The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to name the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.

ping.

103 posted on 09/15/2005 6:42:56 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: johnny7

This coming from washinton compost?


104 posted on 09/15/2005 6:43:09 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: nicmarlo

Wow. Thank you for the ping.


105 posted on 09/15/2005 6:48:55 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

yw!


106 posted on 09/15/2005 6:51:05 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: shield

I see some serious "Arkancide" approaching.. grab yer guns..
Sorry that would be those of us intelligent enough to actually own them..
forget I said anything!!!!!!!!


107 posted on 09/15/2005 7:40:42 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: DTogo

..."Monica Lewinsky dropped a cigar onto a stack of Able Danger papers."......

Unfortunately, it was too damp so it didn't light up!



108 posted on 09/15/2005 7:46:24 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: johnny7

Lord, we ask for ministering spirits to protect this individual from whoever might want to perpetuate lies or hide truth from surfacing on this issue.

According to your grace, expose to view any who worked to harm our people and our Nation and each one who provides protection or cover for those who did.


109 posted on 09/15/2005 8:09:33 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Montfort
"And if someone is not in the country legally at a particular time, then they are not in the country at all at that time. "

I think the usual argument is that Atta frequently traveled under his own name, therefore he always traveled under his own name (despite the reality that these guys amassed quite a collection of false passports).

110 posted on 09/15/2005 9:56:30 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Mayor Culpa and Gov. Blank-O are Dems & shall NOT be subject to questioning!")
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To: Dark Knight
"The Library of Congress has informed Weldon that 2 terabites of material equals approximately 1/4 of all the material in the Library of Congress."

Now, even if it were true, why would the Library of Congress bother to inform Weldon of this? Isn't that a bit odd?

111 posted on 09/15/2005 10:06:10 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Mayor Culpa and Gov. Blank-O are Dems & shall NOT be subject to questioning!")
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To: cookcounty

"The Library of Congress has informed Weldon that 2 terabites of material equals approximately 1/4 of all the material in the Library of Congress."

Now, even if it were true, why would the Library of Congress bother to inform Weldon of this? Isn't that a bit odd?<<

I reread the article. Weldon said it himself, he probably has a technological problem with apple and orange comparisons and ALL politicians overstate their case, with the exception of Chris Shays.

He talks and everyone falls asleep.

DK


112 posted on 09/16/2005 12:06:30 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Spirited

Amen


113 posted on 09/16/2005 3:10:56 AM PDT by johnny7 (“"Thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes... like a doll's eyes.”)
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To: troop_defender

"Berger sentence of $50,000 and 100 hours of community service came out in a whisper during the height of the Katrina story."

But even that so-called connection is pure speculation to a connection to Able Danger. If this as big as purported, get a nice, big juicy leak to Fox, and really start to name names.

This little strip tease is starting to lose my interest. If you wait for Congress to schedule hearings for this, you'll wait for ever. Drop names, leak (real) info, not suggestive nonsense, or simply get the whole group of informants together and spill the beans. But "connections" to this or that are meaningless.


114 posted on 09/16/2005 4:55:55 AM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: cookcounty
"'The Library of Congress has informed Weldon that 2 terabites of material equals approximately 1/4 of all the material in the Library of Congress.'

Now, even if it were true, why would the Library of Congress bother to inform Weldon of this? Isn't that a bit odd?"

It is not a bit odd. Since Weldon is a member of CONGRESS, the Library of CONGRESS might well answer an enquiry about how this amount of data compares to the LOC's holdings. The will often answer enquiries for academics. I would imagine that if you are a Member of Congress, they will let you pick their brains for a half hour or more, and will even issue written replies to enquiries.

Would it be "odd" for a law librarian at a large law firm to provide information to a partner in that law firm? No. Well, this is no different.

115 posted on 09/16/2005 5:15:19 AM PDT by Montfort (The looting has only just begun. Now it is Congress' turn to loot.)
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To: johnny7
Weldon is on C Span 2 and going ballistic!
116 posted on 09/16/2005 6:19:58 AM PDT by airborne
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To: AlGone2001
We already know exactly what Berglar took and why. From Ashcroft's testimony:

The NSC's Millennium After Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 — with luck playing a major role. Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses. It is clear from the review that actions taken in the Millennium Period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government.

In March 2000, the review warns the prior Administration of a substantial al Qaeda network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here. [My note: AD info?]

Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaeda network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls.

Post #745

It falls directly into the AD timeline. In that same post, I note that what Sandy Berger stole was the versions of the after action report:

The missing copies, according to Breuer and their author, Richard A. Clarke, the counterterrorism chief in the Clinton administration and early in President Bush's administration, were versions of after-action reports recommending changes following threats of terrorism as 1999 turned to 2000. Clarke said he prepared about two dozen ideas for countering terrorist threats. The recommendations were circulated among Cabinet agencies, and various versions of the memo contained additions and refinements, Clarke said last night.

Therefore, they were never provided to the Commission, as evidenced by the Commission Report footnotes (#769):

46. NSC email, Clarke to Kerrick,“Timeline,”Aug. 19, 1998; Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004). We did not find documentation on the after-action review mentioned by Berger. On Vice Chairman Joseph Ralston’s mission in Pakistan, see William Cohen interview (Feb. 5, 2004). For speculation on tipping off the Taliban, see, e.g., Richard Clarke interview (Dec. 18, 2003).

And to what does footnote (46) refer? On p. 117, Chapter 4, we find this:

Later on August 20, Navy vessels in the Arabian Sea fired their cruise missiles. Though most of them hit their intended targets, neither Bin Ladin nor any other terrorist leader was killed. Berger told us that an after-action review by Director Tenet concluded that the strikes had killed 20–30 people in the camps but probably missed Bin Ladin by a few hours. Since the missiles headed for Afghanistan had had to cross Pakistan, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was sent to meet with Pakistan’s army chief of staff to assure him the missiles were not coming from India. Officials in Washington speculated that one or another Pakistani official might have sent a warning to the Taliban or Bin Ladin. (46)
How about that? How many times have we heard Clinton say that he missed Bin Ladin by just a few hours? Yet the after-action report is missing, so the Commission relied on Sandy Berger's testimony.

117 posted on 09/16/2005 6:23:49 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: toddlintown
See #117...it has the connections. My money is on Richard Clarke as the one who ordered the documents destroyed... he, after all, was in charge of cybersecurity as part of the NSA, which is part of the DoD. The NSA ran ECHELON. It is the NSA's own policy that was supposed to prevent the U.S. from spying on it's own citizens:

NSA's United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18 (USSID 18) strictly prohibits the interception or collection of information about "..US persons, entities, corporations or organizations..." without explicit written legal permission from the Attorney General of the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that intelligence agencies cannot conduct surveillance against American citizens.

Wikipedia

Therefore, if Clarke determined that the AD operation was essentially spying on U.S. citizens, as the articles pertaining to this operation have suggested, he would have been the one to order the papers destroyed.
118 posted on 09/16/2005 6:50:18 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: VirginiaMom

Hey VAMom-- I freep mailed you! Hope to hear back!


119 posted on 09/16/2005 6:55:11 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Montfort

It's odd to me, because the number is bogus. I can get a one terrabyte hard drive for my PC. A cool grand. I went to the LOC website, and they archive print, audio, video. They also have a preservation project for the stuff that isn't aging well.

It was a mistake. Technology confuses lots of people.

DK

(two terrabytes is about 150 hours of raw NTSC video. If AD was using video and coverted to computer format it is pretty easy.)


120 posted on 09/16/2005 7:10:24 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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