The catechism says that homosexuals are called to chastity and unjust discrimination should be avoided. Obviously the Church is contented with lumping all homosexuals (even ones with no sexual behavior for a decade) with pedophiles. This is a practice doomed to fail.
2358...They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Almost all the victims were post-pubescent teenage boys,
which doesn't fit the description of "pedophilia".
If this were truly a "pedophilia" problem involving pre-pubescent children, which it is not, then heterosexuals would be as likely to offend as homosexuals. Since post-pubescent teen boys were overwhelmingly the victims, nearly all the wayward priests involved were homosexuals. The church has a particular problem with homosexual priests.
You site the catholic catechism saying that homosexuals are called to chastity and that unjust discrimination should be avoided.
The church calls everyone to stop sinning, and says no one should be unjustly discriminated against.
But priests are justly called to a higher standard than laity. The celibacy vow poses an extra challenge. The bible explicitly details quite a high standard for Bishops, one much higher than that for the laity.
Alcoholics are called to sobriety, and the church also feels they should not be unjustly discriminated against. Keeping them out of the priesthood is not unjust, doing so protects both the Church and laity. (Bishops could make an exception for an inspiring repentant one they had great confidence in). High standards are a good thing. Protecting our teenage children from sexual abuse is not unjust, and being a priest is not a right.
A few seminaries may have been particularly wayward in tolerating ongoing homosexuality. The situation might not only involve those trying and succeeding to be repentent.
I don't think this is correct. Pedophilia is attraction to children--prepubescents. Maybe attraction to boy children is different than homosexuality--frankly, I am skeptical that this is a rationalization; but I will accept that it might be true.
However, pedophilia is irrelevant to the catholic church molestation scandal. As I understand it, the vast bulk of the molested boys were post-pubescent teenagers. Attraction by a man to a sextually mature teenage boy is homosexuality and the attempt to hide that by calling it pedophilia is mendacious. I got hit on by homosexuals (unsuccessfully for the record) when I was a teen and involved in semi-pro drama and I assure you, they were treating me like a sexually mature potential sex-partner who was a young man.
What is mendacious about this argument is that it deliberately uses the word pedophilia in two different senses for the purpose of concealing the homosexual problem in the church. It uses 'pedophilia' in the popular sense to mean sex with any underage person to get the reader agreeing that pedophilia is the problem. Then, without informing the reader, it uses 'pedophilia' in the technical sense (meaning sex with prepubescent children) when quoting the 'experts,' thereby suggesting that the catholic church's problem is not a homosexual problem. It is.
The scriptures clearly disagree with this one. Apparently a homo-promo wrote it.
"... knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:32.
My impression is that the Catholic church is suffering from a pederast priest problem. Most victims are pubescent males. There may indeed be some small percentage of victims who are pre-pubescent, but the overwhelming majority are not prebies (prepubies?).
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity...
We are told by the homophiles that homosexuals, because they are born that way, cannot (or should not) change. Just as alcoholics should not frequent bars, pederast priests should not be involved with oversight of young males. Even the Boy Scouts understand this.
the pedophiles WERE homosexuals.
In the priesthood, the homosexuals ARE the pedophiles.
Homosexuals do not belong in the priesthood in ANY capacity.
"and for faculty members who dissent from church teaching" covers a broad spectrum of behavior.
Can you read?
Uh, most of the cases involved 15 and 16 year olds. That's not pedophilia. It is well documented that many seminaries are dominated by homosexuals. I had many "Father Liberaces" at my high school in my youth.
Precisely. This reminds me of the magician's 36-24-36-24 square-inches-of-clothing assistant taking a deep breath at the moment the magician swaps in the trick deck of cards.
Disagree completely -the policy is refreshingly not thought out at all -no moral relative reasoning at all. The policy is comprises submission to God's will -submission of intellect to Church teachings...
Disordered homosexuals that have practiced actibvities that are intrinsically evil can no longer get a free 'pastoral' pass -the sex abuse crisis of male on male sex is nothing but homosexual activity perpetrated by disordered active homosexuals -that is the definition of homosexual activity to all but the ignorant and the homosexual activists...
Yes -the cafeteria is closed and the whining begins...
This is plainly false. Pedophiles lust after pre-adolescent girls and boys. The priest scandal was a homosexual problem, not a pedophilic one. The victims were usually mid- to late-adolescents, NOT young children.
The press, ever politically correct, framed the story as priestly pedophilia, hiding the fact that in most cases the problem was homosexual men in positions of authority and trust seducing young men. The press could therefore attack the Church while not offending homosexual advocates. The phrase also has alliteration making it virtually a slogan.
In Europe, where the age of consent is in many countries is 13 or 14, this wouldn't even be a crime!
This is not a problem due to pedophiles; it is a problem due to unrepentant homosexuals.