Posted on 09/14/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by FreedomCalls
No standing means no decision - the case never existed. It is of no value for the sake of precedence. The SC ruling that the gentleman had no standing is a ruling that he had no standing in any other court. Therefore no court could hear the matter. Period.
When they meet their Maker, then they can decide about God!
If we can find out who allied themselves with Newdow, (such as People for the American Way, American Atheist Assoc.,and others) if they filed an amicus brief we can tie them with the opposition to Roberts and link them at the hip with the democrats. How does on find out if someone file a friend of the court brief?
If we can find out who allied themselves with Newdow, (such as People for the American Way, American Atheist Assoc.,and others) if they filed an amicus brief we can tie them with the opposition to Roberts and link them at the hip with the democrats. How does one find out if someone file a friend of the court brief?
I believe in non-violent methods of struggle as most effective in the long run for building up successful working class power. Where they cannot be followed or where they are not even permitted by the ruling class, obviously only violent tactics remain. I champion civil liberty as the best of the non-violent means of building the power on which workers rule must be based. If I aid the reactionaries to get free speech now and then, if I go outside the class struggle to fight against censorship, it is only because those liberties help to create a more hospitable atmosphere for working class liberties. The class struggle is the central conflict of the world; all others are incidental.
Proletarian Liberty in Practice
When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies at home and abroad. I dislike it in principle as dangerous to its own objects. But the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world. They are liberties that most closely affect the lives of the people — power in the trade unions, in peasant organizations, in the cultural life of nationalities, freedom of women in public and private life, and a tremendous development of education for adults and children. . . .
I saw in the Soviet Union many opponents of the regime. I visited a dozen prisons — the political sections among them. I saw considerable of the work of the OGPU. I heard a good many stories of severity, even of brutality, and many of them from the victims. While I sympathized with personal distress I just could not bring myself to get excited over the suppression of opposition when I stacked it up against what I saw of fresh, vigorous expressions of free living by workers and peasants all over the land. And further, no champion of a socialist society could fail to see that some suppression was necessary to achieve it. It could not all be done by persuasion. . . .
[I]f American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept “workers’ democracy” as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept — regretfully, of course — the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done.
The Ninth Circuit Circus can SHOVE OFF. The need to get a third grader to read the U. S. Constitution to them so they can understand it.
These morons can keep declaring the Constitution unconstitutional, thinking that their god-like dictates will be upheld by the adoring masses. They live in a delusional world. I know for a fact that public school teachers still pray every day with their students in South Carolina. They will say the pledge as well. By the way, our courthouse here in the panhandle of Florida still displays a very large display of the ten commandments. The liberals cant control us all and they cant kill us all. Resist the evil!
Regretfully, we Massholes do not fall under your sweeping generalization of "49 other states that are not terminally struck by liberalism and idiocy." We are all about liberalism and idiocy.
The original ruling of the 9th Circuit WAS overruled - it was reversed by the Supreme Court. The fact that it was reversed on the issue of standing does not mean that the 9th Circuit's opinion with respect to other issues in the case somehow still survive.
The rabid left (knowing damn well that the only way to forward their satanic agenda is to short-circuit the democratic process via activist courts) just HAD to send in the clowns - er - lawyers and get it ratcheted up to what it is today.
Jerks!
It's getting dismantled, piece by piece.
That was what I thought too.
When they meet their Maker, then they can decide about God!
There are no atheists on deathbeds, in foxholes, or on death row (just before you know what).
This issue should never have gotten past the local school boards, but NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Exactly.
Idiots, the lot of them.
This was NOT the 9th Circuit. It was a District Court judge. A Federal District Court judge is a trial court judge. The 9th Circuit is an Appellate Court and will be the next stop for this case. After the 9th Circuit decides THEN you can bitch about the circus because they will undoubtedly follow the the District Court's kooky leftist lead.
Wrong. The SC vacated the ruling. You may like the argument and can try it again in the next case, but it is not a precedent. Because there was no standing, as the SC decided, no one had any right to rule in the first place, there is no judgment and therefore there is no precedent. Once the SC has found grounds to throw out a case, it needn't rule on each argument in the case. Since there is no standing, the SC and any lessor Court is specifically prohibited from judging the merits.
Precedents are established by deciding cases, not by expressing opinions.
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