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Fox News Just Said Federal Judge says Pledge "Un-Constitutional"

Posted on 09/14/2005 11:02:25 AM PDT by nov7freedomday

Just heard on top of the hour on Fox News Radio


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; americanflag; antiamerican; antitheist; churchandstate; constitution; flag; government; judicialactivism; newdow; ninthcircuit; pledge; ruling; schools; unconstitutional; undergod
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To: saFeather
Personally, I think this is a good thing. The government has no business forcing children to recite such a patently nationalistic oath anyway, and to compound it by coercing acknowlegement of a religious entity just makes it worse.

It is already settled law that schools cannot force a child to say the Pledge. This ruling demands that we can not say it in school, even voluntarily.

461 posted on 09/14/2005 7:53:14 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: All; Smartass; kristinn; JLO; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

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NEVER FORGET


Recent History reminds us that the real instagator behind the 9th Circuit's "No Under GOD Pledge of Allegiance in our Schools" Decision was 9th Circuit Judge STEPHAN REINHARDT ...from the very beginning. A sitting Judge whose wife was the sitting President of the Southern California Chapter of the ACLU at the time.

By his own public admission, Judge STEPHAN REINHARDT has been a decades-long close friend of HILLARY & BILL CLINTON.


So,

...no matter the personal Sacrifice, HILLARY must NEVER be allowed back inside our Oval Office...

...for GOD's sake.

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/news/715375/posts



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-2002 "Stop Judge REINHARDT" Beach Rally held outside his Marina Del Rey CA Condo. A Rally well covered by local and network TV media = Victory


NEVER FORGET

.


462 posted on 09/14/2005 8:08:13 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Good Evening Aloha Ronnie...

You're so right about STEPHAN REINHARDT. He is the most radical left, and most overturned Federal Appellate Judge by the U.S. Supreme Court (58 cases). He even has the gall to laugh and admit it. He claims the laws and U.S. Constitution are a bunch of crap, and just does as he pleases.

Yes, Reinhardt's wife Ramona Ripson, is still head of the Los Angeles Chapter of the ACLU. Why he hasn't been impeached is still a mystery.

463 posted on 09/14/2005 8:21:08 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Amen

The Liberals are out to turn America into a communist Godless Country....

THIS CANNOT BE!!!!!!!!!!!!


464 posted on 09/14/2005 8:21:54 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: saFeather
Being "encouraged" by an authority figure in the context of an official, regular classroom activity led by the authority figure is different from coercion only in the most trivial, semantic sense.

That is FUNNY! Somehow these same kids have no problem ignoring my outright demand that they begin their work, stop talking, face forward, stop poking the kid next to them, turn in homework, bring a pencil to class...

But boy, that simple, "Put your hand over your heart, please," strikes FEAR in their souls!

465 posted on 09/14/2005 8:24:17 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: nov7freedomday
This doesn't concern me. I know some fly off the handle but this is actually about something which is actually written *IN* the Constitution. While lots of coercive things taking place in public schools, the fact remains those things don't have a specific prohibition in the 1st Amendment whereas it's hardly much of a stretch to see invoking "God" and a relationship to this nation as being a kind of establishment of religion. There's a reasonable argument being made here by the judge.

Folks who are upset by this may be ignorant of history. Ike added this phrase to the pledge (which did not come from gov't to begin with) to make a difference between the U.S. and the 'godless' Communists and the pledge itself is just over 100 years old. Demanding pledges and loyalty oaths by our children in school strikes me as unAmerican in spirit.

There are more important things than this case from yet another annoyed atheist.

466 posted on 09/14/2005 9:08:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: ASA Vet; Tequila25; All
Return to the original pre-Ike version. Problem solved.

Amen! "Pick your battles" should become a litmus test before we hit our collective 'outrage' button.

467 posted on 09/14/2005 9:14:45 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: NorCalRepub

And then there's the pesky inconvenience of having 11 of the Fortune 100 headquartered in CA, as well as having Intel AND AMD both, and Cisco Systems...throwing away silicon valley would be financially disasterous, and foolish.
That being said, I still can't afford a house here, hence the tagline.


468 posted on 09/14/2005 9:53:54 PM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: nov7freedomday

When I was in the 8th grade, I lived in CA. I remember in Home Room is when they did the Pledge. They gave us a choice to sit or stand. I don't know where they are coming up with this B.S.


469 posted on 09/14/2005 11:21:37 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

"So,

...no matter the personal Sacrifice, HILLARY must NEVER be allowed back inside our Oval Office...

...for GOD's sake.>


Amen to that!


470 posted on 09/15/2005 12:16:08 AM PDT by JLO
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To: JLO

And a SECOND AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


471 posted on 09/15/2005 3:29:32 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: JLO

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E-Mail sent to O'REILLY.

Lets see if he uses it Thursday night..?

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472 posted on 09/15/2005 3:58:10 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: JeffAtlanta
The 14th amendment and subsequent incorporation decisions by the supreme court undid a lot of the state's powers to bypass the bill of rights. While the Bill of Rights originally only applied to congress, most of them have been incorporated to apply to any government.
Some try to claim that the 14th did not apply the restrictions of the Bill of Rights to the states. It should be noted that they are very much in the minority. It should also be noted that if it was ever thought to be neccesary, a new Amendment making this limitation explicit would be ratified and adopted quite easily.

-Eric

473 posted on 09/15/2005 4:07:32 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: jess35
I don't know anyone who has fought and died to protect a modified form of our original pledge.

hmmmm ... did you do an interview with them before they died to find out exactly what they are fighting for?  I also don't know anyone who died to give the left the right to protest against America, yet that is, in concept, what they died for.

474 posted on 09/15/2005 4:12:12 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: nov7freedomday

I suspect this dumb ruling will eventually get overturned.

Thank God.


475 posted on 09/15/2005 4:29:00 AM PDT by FreeLiability (Charge Criminals with crimes; Detain indefinitely enemy combatants until the WAR is over.)
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To: highball

Congress of the United States,Jan.19,1853--
". . . sunday ,the christian sabbath,recognized and respectedby all the departments of the Government. . .
Here is a recognition ,by law,and by universal usage,not
only ofa Sabbath,but of the Christian Sabbath in exclusion of the Jewish or Mohammedan Sabbath. .. the recognition of the Christian Sabbath [by the Constiution] is complete and
perfect.'(Speaking of the clause in the US Constitution -
[Sundays excepted] clearly the men who wrote our Constitution did not intend to exclude the Christian by some
false and offensive doctrine of strict neutrality as certain ignoble Judges and mere politicians today would have us believe.


476 posted on 09/15/2005 5:07:35 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: highball
If they wanted to include God in the Constitution, they would have. You're making a huge reach.
If they want to try to convert an overtly secular document into an inherently religious one, that's what they have to do.

-Eric

477 posted on 09/15/2005 5:14:21 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: tflabo

Massachusettes yesterday rejected a constitutional amemndment banning same sex marriges, so they are on they're way.


478 posted on 09/15/2005 5:14:52 AM PDT by JimWforBush (Alcohol - For the best times you'll never remember)
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To: xzins
I also agree that there's no problem whatsoever with "under God" in the pledge.

It was added by Eisenhower for a secular and not a religious reason.

What, precisely, was the secular reason? He himself stated it was so schoolkids would recognize God every day.

-Eric

479 posted on 09/15/2005 5:18:01 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: Howlin

He got two families to agree with him,and he represented them,and he won.Judge will issue a restraining order for schools not to say pledge.


480 posted on 09/15/2005 5:18:26 AM PDT by patriciamary
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