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Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel Ahead of Upcoming Disasters
Israel National News ^ | Sept. 14, 2005

Posted on 09/14/2005 10:27:20 AM PDT by Alouette

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To: Alouette

I'd like to take my first trip there next year, but I don't think I could live there until they rescind their idiotic restrictive gun control laws.

The Arabs have lots of guns among their citizenry... Our guys blow up the Altalena over and over again.

Judges 5:8 "They chose new gods; then was war in the gates; was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?"


21 posted on 09/14/2005 12:03:56 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az; Alouette
Madonna is a member of a cult? I thought she was a cult. LOL

Thanks for the link. I found this link there, and it gives some good examples of the differences between the two Kaballah's:

KABBALAH CENTER

I had no idea, before reading this info, that there was ANY difference between the two. Thanks to you both!

22 posted on 09/14/2005 12:09:58 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: Alouette

Christianity is a kind of Judaism...


23 posted on 09/14/2005 12:12:37 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Reborn

Yup - the "Kaballah Center" is a fruity California cult.

The page you linked to has a great quote -

Shmuel Boteach went so far as to say "Earth to Phillip Berg: Do us all a favor and dump Madonna as your principal spokesperson. Sorry to be so crass, but Madonna is a slut. Yes, she may sing, and she may dance. But she is famous for being a slut. And no religion dare have a slut as its principal representative." He goes on to say: "[I]s the Kabbalah Center really so desperate that it is prepared to promote itself through a vulgarian whose main contribution to the culture is porn rock?"


24 posted on 09/14/2005 12:16:24 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: yldstrk

"Christianity is a kind of Judaism..."

That's why Jews were expelled from England, Spain, France, etc... by the Inquisition, right?

Christian theology is that it has replaced the covenant with a new one.

Christianity largely sees Judaism is obsolete. That's kind of it's point.

Jews don't think Mosiach has come yet, and when he does, the eternal laws of the Torah will all still be binding... ALL, because when our Mosiach comes, the Temple will be rebuilt, not destroyed as it was after Jesus.


25 posted on 09/14/2005 12:19:47 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Pessimist

That's what Billy McKinney told me...


26 posted on 09/14/2005 12:22:21 PM PDT by lugsoul (Sleeper troll since 1999.)
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To: adam_az

Too broad of a brush stroke there, friend.

Like, for instance, saying the Kairites and the Rabbinicals are all the same... Jews... right?

Not all Xtians persecuted, and not all Xtians hold to 'Replacement Theology'.


27 posted on 09/14/2005 12:49:55 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Alouette

His name is Sephardic


28 posted on 09/14/2005 1:20:09 PM PDT by dennisw (***)
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To: Praxeus

"Like, for instance, saying the Kairites and the Rabbinicals are all the same... Jews... right?"

I don't know of any wars between Rabbinical and Karaite Jews, such as the wars between Protestants and Catholics. Karaites follow only the Tanach, while Rabbinical Jews also follow the oral traditions.

"Not all Xtians persecuted, and not all Xtians hold to 'Replacement Theology'."

I think that all Christians follow some sort of replacement theology, though not all to it's logical extreme, agreed.

For example, Christians universally believe that the promised Mosiach has already arrived. They celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday. They don't follow the dietary laws. This is all because of writings in the gospel such as (the ones that come to mind immediately) Paul and Luke and also the book Corinthians which purport to supercede the Mosaic law. Even the words used, "New Testament" vs "Old Testament" are easily interpreted as implying obsolescence.


29 posted on 09/14/2005 1:26:52 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
"I don't know of any wars between Rabbinical and Karaite Jews"

Lol.. well, not yet any way. If there was, it would be between the Secularists and the Haredi. Definitely was between the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom, since we are dipping in to history.

"I think that all Christians follow some sort of replacement theology, though not all to it's logical extreme, agreed."

Well, there are actually some who believe the Jews are parallel in God's plan of redemption.. that God is dealing with both independently. Not mainstream in any sense, as far as Xtianity goes, but it's there.

"Christians universally believe that the promised Mosiach has already arrived"

Point given.

"They celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday. They don't follow the dietary laws"

Seventh-Day Adventists.. and lots of Jews do not keep Kashrut.

As for the rest.. yes, Xtianity supposes superceding covenents. But it is not necessarily an adversarial doctrinal promotion any more than that of Abraham's to Moses'.

Concerning OT vs NT.. it should be noted that the writers of the NT never referred to the Torah as "OT". They uniformly call it the "Scriptures".

When talking of Xtianity being divided between Protestant and Catholic. I submit their difference is insignificant. In fact, Protestant's are Catholics who are "protesting" Rome's authority. Since Protestants hold to the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, they are what they believe.

Their are many sects of Xtianity that do not subscribe to the Trinity doctrine. Certainly, Xtianity of the first two centuries did not, and the Trinitarian doctrine of 3rd century Xtians would not be recognizable to those today.
30 posted on 09/14/2005 1:54:32 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Praxeus

but one is all it took-may the good lord take a liking to you.


31 posted on 09/14/2005 2:07:50 PM PDT by catmanblack. (david chose three rocks but needed only one. or was it five)
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To: adam_az

Sorry about my syntactical errors:

call = called
Their = There


32 posted on 09/14/2005 2:11:24 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: catmanblack.

Lol. Yes, indeed. One is the number.


33 posted on 09/14/2005 2:12:13 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: adam_az; Alouette

I am sorry and I would never want to demean your religion, but this sounds like superstition to me. I am not a religious person in any way.


34 posted on 09/14/2005 2:16:03 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: Praxeus

Why do you type "Xtianity"?


35 posted on 09/14/2005 2:18:05 PM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: agrace

Lazy. Nothing else.

Notice, even in a mid-sentence I will upper-case the X.


36 posted on 09/14/2005 2:22:35 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: adam_az
Christianity largely sees Judaism is obsolete. That's kind of it's point.

No I don't think so. The old covenants, (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, et. al.) are still in effect. God does not renege on contracts. However, the new and ever-lasting Christian covenant applies to all Christians and to Jews that will finally believe in Christ. As it says in the Zechariah chapter 11...they will look on him whom they have pierced and weep as a parent that has lost an only son...etc.

37 posted on 09/14/2005 2:24:15 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Alouette
So the Jewish faith has nutcases too?
Just like Christians.

Imagine that!

38 posted on 09/14/2005 2:25:54 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Praxeus
Actually, the Maronite and Assyrian Christians in Lebanon claim to be Phoenecians.

From the time of David when Israel was divided into the Northern Kingdom (Israel) which comprised all but Judah and Benjamin, and the Southern Kingdom (Judah), which included only Judah and Benjamin, the name Judah (and particularly "Jew") began to develop into an iconic label for all of Israelite extraction. Much the same way as Kleenex is used generically as a term for all brands of tissue.
1. The division of the land of Israel into tribal territories is set forth in Exodus and Leviticus.
King David was the second ruler of the united Kingdom. The Kingdom split in two, when the Northern Tribes under Ephraim revolted against King Rehobam's taxes.
2. The term "Yehudi" or Jew was used for any subject of the southern kingdom, whether or not he was a member of the tribe of Judah. After fall of the Northern Kingdom and the influx of Northern Israelite refugees, Judah was the only remaining Israelite kingdom. The Northern Israelites who did not flee, where dispersed by the Assyrians and became "lost". (I happen to think that their descendants are Kurds and Pashtuns, but that is another matter.) At any rate, after the return from Babylonian exile, there was another split between Jews and Samaritans. The term "Jew" was used to reffer to any Israelite who followed the Priests centered around the rebuilt Temple on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem. (Those Israelites and Assyrian settlers who followed the Priests at Mt. Gezerim became known as Samaritans.)

39 posted on 09/14/2005 2:28:38 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mogollon
The old covenants, (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, et. al.) are still in effect

That is why I am not a Christian. Didn't Jesus say that not one dot of the Law would change? That means Leviticus, Exodus, etc...are still in effect for Christians, right?

A lot of those laws are ridiculous, I refuse to follow them.

40 posted on 09/14/2005 2:30:43 PM PDT by conserv13
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