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Chertoff delayed federal response, memo shows
Knight Ridder ^ | 9/13/05 | Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey

Posted on 09/14/2005 9:48:57 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Bommer

This article is a disengenuous fraud. According to them, Chertoff didn't sign off until August 30th...which was Tuesday. For almost 24 hours after Katrina passed, the media and city officials were claiming they missed the worst of it and had things under control. In fact, even after Terry Ebbert was informed of the levee breach, he said this: "It's a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours."


61 posted on 09/14/2005 10:50:52 AM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Exactly what federal agencies were supposed to act? The Governor was in charge of the guard, which might have provided security, and Louisiana state officials refused to use the Red Cross, which was already on the scene. FEMA has been clumsy in execution, but this does not change the fact that at the critical moments it was state officials who failed to act/or did the wrong thing.


62 posted on 09/14/2005 10:52:26 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Exactly what federal agencies were supposed to act? The Governor was in charge of the guard, which might have provided security, and Louisiana state officials refused to use the Red Cross, which was already on the scene. FEMA has been clumsy in execution, but this does not change the fact that at the critical moments it was state officials who failed to act/or did the wrong thing.


63 posted on 09/14/2005 10:52:45 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: GOP_1900AD

It's completely ridiculous that an adult, much less a governor, can say they did their part in asking for federal help by saying nothing more than, "help".

What kind of help, where do you need it, supplies, security, rescue, there are a lot of darned details yet the governor thinks she can say the word help and everyone is just supposed to read her mind.


64 posted on 09/14/2005 10:55:58 AM PDT by kenth
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To: sinkspur

The life and death situationss developed after the levees broke. Local and state authorities then panicked and dithered during a critical 12 hors after that. Besides I am reminded that a certain Illinois lawyer managed to do a pretty fair job in life and death situations.


65 posted on 09/14/2005 10:57:18 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
This would be Tuesday. Before the flooding started.

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You are mistaken. The 17th St levee breach happened before noon on Monday.

66 posted on 09/14/2005 11:00:32 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: kenth

The "Newsweek" article that basically exonorated Blanco, admit that she basically didn't know what to ask for. My question is: where was the AG of the Louiaina Guard? Why wasn't he there to give her advise? Or didn't she have the smarts to ask him?


67 posted on 09/14/2005 11:00:56 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Heck, it took Blanco until Thursday, Sept/1st, to finally deploy "Iraqi hardened" NG troops to use in a law-enforcement capacity. And when she did, she only ordered 300 in to handle the job because she was afraid of the political fallout should deadly confrontations arise.

Blanco deliberately let things get out of control because she didn't want the responsibility for the deaths of poor, black people who might get shot for "looting." Ironically, her own Attorney General hepled perpetuate this crisis (and her reaction) when he went on TV and practically justified the looting. These people failed at so many levels it's disgusting.


68 posted on 09/14/2005 11:07:01 AM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: RobbyS

It's just crazy. It appears that the only advice she received was "blame Bush" and she went about doing that at the expense of her state's citizens.


69 posted on 09/14/2005 11:14:40 AM PDT by kenth
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To: sinkspur

I tend to agree with you.

Watching both Brown and Chertoff in the first few days after the hurricane and flood, I didn't get the sense that they had a handle on the vastness of the situation.

They were almost cheery in their assessments. If we face a major terrorist attack some day, let's hope we get somebody in there that can grasp how bad things can get.

That aside, IMHO, it was still Blanco that fouled up the rescue of those at the SuperDome and Convention Center. I don't think FEMA or Homeland Security should take the fall for that.

And somewhere along the line, somebody (and I haven't heard it done much) needs to bring in personal responsibility. True, some of those people were poor and didn't have rides, but many, many did have a way out of town before the storm and chose to ride it out.


70 posted on 09/14/2005 11:16:10 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: kenth
It's completely ridiculous that an adult, much less a governor, can say they did their part in asking for federal help by saying nothing more than, "help". What kind of help, where do you need it, supplies, security, rescue, there are a lot of darned details yet the governor thinks she can say the word help and everyone is just supposed to read her mind.

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Blanco sent a four page letter to the President via FEMA on 8/28. The letter was a bit more than HELP! written over and over again for all four pages.

71 posted on 09/14/2005 11:20:44 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: PISANO

I noticed that too. Wasn't the early news out of N.O. that all was well since the storm was a 4 and the eye did not hit N.O. directly? Wasn't the reaction by all the talking heads a sigh of relief of N.O. missing the big one? So what would have been the reason for launching the response at that time and not after flooding started?


72 posted on 09/14/2005 11:27:11 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: RobbyS
The life and death situationss developed after the levees broke. Local and state authorities then panicked and dithered during a critical 12 hors after that.

The Corps of Engineers knew that levees had broken by noon on Monday, August 29. They also knew that the city would eventually fill with water. Why FEMA and DHS was not informed will come out in the hearings.

Yes, state and local officials did dither. But Chertoff should have been mobilizing on Tuesday, August 30.

73 posted on 09/14/2005 11:33:27 AM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: kenth
Newsweek describes her as "steely." Obstinate is more accurate, because its goes with her well-known indecisiveness.
74 posted on 09/14/2005 11:35:12 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Texasbound
I agree, but this story is hardly exposing some sport of "smoking gun." The declaration of an "Incident of National Significance" was widely reported at the time. In addition, this declaration did not, in any way, signal the beginning of Federal, or FEMA or Homeland Security involvement. It only activates certain interagency coordination of efforts. In fact, FEMA was on the ground in Louisiana before the hurricane, and FEMA-coordinated rescue efforts and humanitarian aid were being delivered well in advance of Chertoff signing that memo.

I agree with you there is not much point trying to assign blame based on party. I am probably in a small minority in assigning far less blame to Blanco and Nagin than many others on FR. But I also believe that anecdotes about confusion, and conflicting efforts, and difficulties getting help to people are to be expected when the disaster area is 90,000 square miles, roads and communication networks are disrupted and nearly a million people have lost their homes. They are not a reason to assume, de facto, that there was an inadequate response. Of course it was inadequate. The disaster was overwhelming. That does not mean that any particular individuals necessarily failed in their duties.

Having said that, by historical standards, the rescue and relief efforts have been phenomenally fast and effective.

75 posted on 09/14/2005 11:38:30 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: dawn53
And somewhere along the line, somebody (and I haven't heard it done much) needs to bring in personal responsibility. True, some of those people were poor and didn't have rides, but many, many did have a way out of town before the storm and chose to ride it out.

We've all been watching helicopter shots of the 9th ward, underwater. I was amazed, when I saw this the first time, at the hundreds of cars that were sitting underwater in front of these poor people's homes.

The theory I've heard is that poor people didn't want to leave because they knew that their homes would be looted first.

76 posted on 09/14/2005 11:38:36 AM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: sinkspur

They may have been mobilizing since Bush declared it a disaster area. What I don't know and can't find out is what FEMA did during that time. It may be that they were simply incapable of reacting quickly to the exegency. Like a military unit caught facing the wrong direction.


77 posted on 09/14/2005 11:40:42 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Eastbound
Remember Mayor was on TV here in Mississippi(our Media showed it) telling people the levees was under control. They need to go back and show people what he said right after storm. I seen him TV here say that it would leak very slow and it was under control. Maybe the rest of the country did not see him on TV but we did here in Mississippi.
The TRUTH shall set you free and it will come out. If people of La. reelect Gov. and Mayor they deserve what they get. Look at Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (and Gov. of Al.) here he on the job and doing what needs to be done.
If anyone would look at storm Mississippi got the worse of the storm. Ms. has damage from coast to top of State. No one in our county Rankin 3 hours from coast)had powers and much the same for most of State of Mississippi. But to hear Media only N.O. had damage from storm. Even those in Northern La. is not getting covered. We have family members at Gulfport and Picayune. They got out but still have great damage to homes and can't live in them. Hattiesburg, Meridian & Laural Mississippi looks like War zones. Gov. Barbour had our Nation Guards at camp Shelby. South side of Hattiesburg and they had to cut there way to coast.
In our city & county (Rankin the largest county) no one had power. In our city alone we have seen power people here from GA., La., Ark., Penn., and Indiana and they still here working on power. We THANK all power company and all the rest who have come to help us. We have people from New York and many other States at the coast (from family we know this. THANKS to our GOV. Haley, National Guards, power companies and all the churches and many others (also those from other States)we are greatful to all and those we do not know about. I was born and raised in Indiana so those from Indiana are very special to me. The people in parts of the USA do not understand the people of Mississippi, we will make it one way or the other. Mississippi people stand together no matter what. Do we have some who complain yes, but for most part people here help each other and we do not look at skin color. We have lived in many Sates in US and no where have we had better friends than here. We have lived in Ind., Ct., (our home states) Fl., Va., Tenn., Tx., and Mississippi, so feel we know what we are talking about. GOD BLESS all of us and those who will help us through this. As Haley Barbour says we will come back bigger and better over time.
78 posted on 09/14/2005 11:41:21 AM PDT by ducks1944
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I'm waiting to hear what Laura Bush did to cause delays.

Not to mention the fact that if Jenna and Barbara had been partying in New Orleans rather than wherever they were, I'm sure the President would have had the 101st freakin' Airborne in there before Katrina made landfall.

Then again, maybe the twins were behind the explosion that took out the levees, as Calypso Louis noted yesterday...!

79 posted on 09/14/2005 11:43:15 AM PDT by ssaftler ("Where are the Greyhound Buses?" - Ray Nagin)
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To: sinkspur

They were caught flat footed by the power of the elements. Like the manager of that old folks home who decided to ride out the storm because nothing like that had happened to them before. Same thing that happened to people in Mississippi.


80 posted on 09/14/2005 11:43:26 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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