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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

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Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevo; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; thisisgettingold
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To: js1138
This is a righteous judgement of God upon these barbarous wretches, who have imbrued their hands in so much innocent blood.... Oliver Cromwell, after the storming and massacre of Drogheda, September 1649

About 8.7 on the StinkOmeter, shall we say?

601 posted on 09/14/2005 6:32:38 AM PDT by SeaLion (Theocracy is another spelling of Tyranny)
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To: Coyoteman

Ol' Tripper did not show up for me.


602 posted on 09/14/2005 6:32:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dark Knight
What intelligent designer would put a recreation center next to a waste disposal facility?

One man's trash is another man's treaure.

603 posted on 09/14/2005 6:34:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

That was the first thing that came to your mind?


604 posted on 09/14/2005 6:36:51 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

It was SOOooo long ago....


605 posted on 09/14/2005 6:37:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Unfortunately, most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.

Or they view the Bible as a source of moral teaching and not "How Things Work"

606 posted on 09/14/2005 6:51:17 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Seriousness lends force to bad arguments. - P J O'Rourke)
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To: Elsie

I have some cupralite to sell...at gold prices.

http://scienceviews.com/photo/library/SIA0651.html

>>What intelligent designer would put a recreation center next to a waste disposal facility?

One man's trash is another man's treaure.<<

DK

The lack of humor in these threads is the clearest indication that something is WRONG here. I wish more people would get that.


607 posted on 09/14/2005 6:56:30 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Elsie

I'm not a Christian. I believe it would be improper for me to comment on the Christian Bible.


608 posted on 09/14/2005 6:56:48 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: js1138

You asked:"...I have a specific case history in mind. I had a mother cat that developed an abscess in her mouth and was unable to eat for a couple of weeks. We had lots of cats at the time and didn't notice immediately.

Under these circumstances, what would you predict the mother's behavior toward her babies would be. Would you expect her to keep feeding them, even though she was starving?..."


Yes, she would try to keep feeding them.

But, then, I'm a biologist and know the right answer.

What has this to do with 2 families in a hurricane?


609 posted on 09/14/2005 7:13:54 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

I believe the original question concerned what Darwin would predict in a situation where ethics requires self-sacrifice. There is no single Darwinian answer, but evolution, in some species, has produced self-sacrificing individuals.

Evolution does not predict selfish or unselfish behavior. It is irrelevant to questions of ethics and morality.


610 posted on 09/14/2005 7:33:33 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Cellular ones do. And they build edifices too.


611 posted on 09/14/2005 7:54:51 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Cellular ones do. And they build edifices too.

Cell towers?

612 posted on 09/14/2005 8:09:51 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior

Yes, and I believe it was an early form of microwave communication.


613 posted on 09/14/2005 8:12:54 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Yes, and I believe it was an early form of microwave communication.

Considering how small those critters are, I guess it just worked out that way.

614 posted on 09/14/2005 8:14:26 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: js1138

C'mon guys. One cannot antropomorphize a theory.


615 posted on 09/14/2005 8:14:34 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: js1138

And then there is defining selfish.

If it satisfies the parents to sacrifice their own children to benefit the other family, then that is selfish behavior.

As for cats, momma cat is doing what makes her feel good.

And, of course Darwin is irrelevant here except for predicting the outcomes as opposed to the actions.


616 posted on 09/14/2005 8:15:31 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: furball4paws

Damn, lost an "H" somewhere.


617 posted on 09/14/2005 8:16:03 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Cellular ones [slime molds] do. And they build edifices too.

And don't forget the part about the way they EAT PEOPLE!


618 posted on 09/14/2005 8:17:01 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Junior

Well it just makes sense that a cellular slime mold would be the first to develop cellular communication.


619 posted on 09/14/2005 8:17:27 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: SeaLion

But only fat people. Which reminds me....


620 posted on 09/14/2005 8:18:26 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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