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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

[snip]

Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
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Comment #141 Removed by Moderator

To: atlaw
http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/

That is a source, and while I consider it a fable, I think you probably look at Tufts uUiversity as a reliable source on evolution.

142 posted on 09/13/2005 7:38:06 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: wallcrawlr
" I understand...you had to comment because most evo's are scared ...they feel like they are being cornered."

Oh, please… More likely you’re projecting your own fears.

You post poo poo dukie comments about Darwin's health with pictures of him as a monkey, and call me scared. Good luck

143 posted on 09/13/2005 7:39:07 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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To: newsgatherer
Thank you, didn't know jack had done that, but, regardless of where it came from,

You suggest evolutionists should "know their enemy", yet you don't know where your "six types of evolution" question originally came from?

There's a saying about a mote and a beam that applies - not sure where it's from.

144 posted on 09/13/2005 7:39:17 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Seriousness lends force to bad arguments. - P J O'Rourke)
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To: furball4paws; ImaGraftedBranch

'Dinoflagellate'. It's called a typo.

But he was probably referring to flagellates, which propel themselves via a flagellum. His reason for doing so is to show that a flagellate can spin its flagellum at 1000 RPM, stop in a quarter-turn, then immediately spin the other way at 1000 RPM again. Practically no energy lost. Utter efficiency.

Better than anything we could pull off. Yet it supposedly happened by 'chance'.


145 posted on 09/13/2005 7:39:23 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Junior_G
Do you just have a new bible delivered to your doorstep every morning to help you catch up on the day's news?

Don't need a new Bible each day, it hasn't changed, but the therory of evolutin, now that is a work in progress, hey, still think babies in the womb have gills? What say you get your doctor to remove that useless tail bone?

146 posted on 09/13/2005 7:40:34 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Right Wing Professor
This is what we call circular logic. You claim people in New Orleans acted worse than people in Biloxi because they're not Christian, and then when it turns out there are a much higher percentage of Christians in Louisiana than Mississippi, you claim you can tell they're not Christian because of the way they behaved!

I'm pretty sure I heard bagpipes.....

147 posted on 09/13/2005 7:40:57 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: newsgatherer
That site seems to have at least seven types of evolution. Are you ashamed of Jack Chick?
148 posted on 09/13/2005 7:43:35 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: blowfish
Image of god? A god with an appendix? Not much of a god in my book.

So, you figure you don't need that apendix? How about your tail bone, wanna get rid of it too? Perhaps you might want to consult with a medical doctor first.

You evolutionist are so much fun.

PS, if Hebrews 9:27 is right, you might want to get used to capitalizing that "G" in God.

149 posted on 09/13/2005 7:43:49 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: elfman2
Just in case you missed it:

and these days the intelligent designers and anti-evolutionists seem to be gaining ground, especially in the United States. A recent poll conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life indicates that 42 percent of Americans accept the biblical account of creation, while 64 percent said they support the idea of schools teaching creationism and evolution.

150 posted on 09/13/2005 7:44:47 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: newsgatherer
You made the false statement. You back it up! Report what you will to the mod. Deliberately posting lies ain't allowed here.
151 posted on 09/13/2005 7:44:55 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: newsgatherer
I'll tell you what, I'll give you some time to retract that assine question before having some real fun with you. But, let me suggest to you that you think about what you said, are you denying that there are six?

You can't just throw the word "evolution" into a theory and say it's associated with another. This so-called "Cosmic evolution" shares no similar observations of evidence with human evolution.

152 posted on 09/13/2005 7:45:14 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: VadeRetro
You forgot Tufts University, http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/

That would be Dr. Kent Hovind PhD. Care to debate Dr. Hovind, while I can't arrange it, I know someone who can.

153 posted on 09/13/2005 7:47:05 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
One last thing; did you know that the cyctochrome C sequences (cytochrome C is a protein involved in cellular metabolism, FYI, and is present in most organisms) in bacterium are more closely related to us than those of a Rhesus monkey (bacterium: 65%; Rhesus monkey: 1%)?

Lie. These are the amino acid sequences for cytochrome c, taken from the National Center for Bioinformatics database. Macaca mulatta is the rhesus monkey.

Homo sapiens:    1 mgdvekgkki fimkcsqcht vekggkhktg pnlhglfgrk igqapgysyt 
Macaca mulatta:  1 -gdvekgkki fimkcsqcht vekggkhktg pnlhglfgrk tgqapgysyt 

Homo sapiens:   51 aanknkgiiw g-edtlmeyle npkkyipgtk mifvgikkke eradliaylk katne 
Macaca mulatta: 51 aanknkgitw gvedtlmeyle npkkyipgtk mifvgikkke eradliaylk katne 
Do those look 1% related to you?
154 posted on 09/13/2005 7:47:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

--- This is what we call circular logic. You claim people in New Orleans acted worse than people in Biloxi because they're not Christian, and then when it turns out there are a much higher percentage of Christians in Louisiana than Mississippi, you claim you can tell they're not Christian because of the way they behaved! ---

Come on... I was speaking English..keep up with me here!

Do I have to type it out slowly???

P e o p l e w h o c l a i m t o b e C h r i s t i a n a r e n o t n e c e s s e c a r i l y C h r i s t i a n.

Simply citing some statistic and assuming it is true, is your problem, not mine.


155 posted on 09/13/2005 7:48:25 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: newsgatherer
Kent Hovind doesn't have a legitimate Ph.D.. He bought his 'degree' from a degree mill.
156 posted on 09/13/2005 7:49:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: newsgatherer; VadeRetro
"wvolution" it's a word that can apply to many things, only one of which related to the Theory of Evolution derived from Darwin's natural eslrction Theory.

"entropy" is also a word. Why don't you explain which of the half-dozen entropys you think disproves evolution.

157 posted on 09/13/2005 7:49:41 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Seriousness lends force to bad arguments. - P J O'Rourke)
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To: newsgatherer
So, you figure you don't need that apendix?

Ah, so god needs to fend off microbes and bacteria as well? Must be some pretty powerful microbes to be able to take down god.

PS, if Hebrews 9:27 is right, you might want to get used to capitalizing that "G" in God.

Or not.

158 posted on 09/13/2005 7:51:15 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: Kleon
This so-called "Cosmic evolution" shares no similar observations of evidence with human evolution.

Now commoon, let's start by having yu define exactly what type of evolution you want to discuss. You say evolution, I come back with cosmic evolution and you say, no, not that one, well which one of the six are we going to discuss?

Hey, before someone put up the six using Jack Chix literature, did you even know there were six?

159 posted on 09/13/2005 7:51:31 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Paloma_55
P e o p l e w h o c l a i m t o b e C h r i s t i a n a r e n o t n e c e s s e c a r i l y C h r i s t i a n.

It's called the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. You can't legitimately argue that people do X because they're Christian, and when they don't do X, claim that because they don't do X, they're not Christian.

I mean, this is grade school logic.

160 posted on 09/13/2005 7:51:41 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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