Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?
Probably nothing.
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Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.
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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."
Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."
If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.
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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.
Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.
Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.
The argument continues unabated ...
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10?
Nope...
These were a CONTRACT between the JEWS and GOD.
Non-Jews had nothing to do with this.
Is the butter dish in the refirgerator?
Is there more than one elephant in the refrigerator?
No problem - she doesn't really have to leave the house, right?
So the Ten Commandments are now invalid?
The banner implies we should love one another and help one another and work to create prosperity for ourselves and for everyone as "one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Scandalous.
Did you ever see "Crimes and Misdemeanors?"
You tell me. That elephant's yours.
Is there more than one elephant in the refrigerator?
A refrigerator big enough for two elephants? On a college professor's salary?
Nah, she always wanted to live under a Taliban-style regime. She wrote in "Mullah Omar" in the last presidental election. I am sure she'd love it. Woody Allen would probably like it too.
This may be nuttiest crevo thread ever. And that's saying a LOT.
So far two people have managed to play this game.
You must spend too much time in academia where evading the question is half the fun.
When searching FR for past posts, I have found that just following a poster back in time seems to work the best. Takes a while but it does work. (That includes looking for old posts of mine)
Plenty of stuff.
What God wants, God gets of course.
I have a distant memory about people talking about evolution vs. intelligent design here once. The evidence exists in the form of archived comments, but I'm not sure - they may have been placed there in finished form by an "Intelligent Moderator". Discuss.
Spoken by a pro.
Now about those elephants?
6It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."[c]
10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or badin order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who callsshe was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."[e]
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrathprepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:
"I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;
and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one,"[i] 26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.' "[j]
The elephant may be mine but the butter dish is my roomie's.
And you didn't say anything about elephants as living creatures. What about a small carved elephant? Huh?
How big is the refrigerator?
Most confirmed measurements say it extends about 13.5 billion years from Earth in any given direction.
I meant 13.5 billion light years. (oops)
I could tell you stories about the buildings my Orangmen relatives were residing in when they were blown up by the Irish Separatists, but it's not really important to this discussion. Ireland is finding peace at last, thank God and the Bush administration.
Denial is preferable to depression.
See, that's another thing we disagree on. Depressed people are lifted out of their dark clouds every day of the week.
Deniers are blind and have a really hard time of making out what the words actually say.
Your roomie is very understanding. Still, I'd wash it before I used it again.
And you didn't say anything about elephants as living creatures. What about a small carved elephant? Huh
Nah, mine's a real elephant, wearing a baseball cap. We must be thinking of different elephants. But thanks for your cooperation. If we get some more volunteers, maybe we can figure out exactly how many hypothetical elephants there are.
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