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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^
| 13 September 2005
| Tom Hundley
Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?
Probably nothing.
[snip]
Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.
[snip]
From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."
Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."
If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.
[snip]
The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.
Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.
Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.
The argument continues unabated ...
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To: Right Wing Professor
I think its time for these guys to move to Guyana and start quaffing down spiked kool-aid.
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you believe we should ditch "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance? Until now, frankly, I didn't much care.
However, it appears that your theocratic pals regard acknowledgement of the authority of their God as some sort of trigger for a 'covenanted' state that permits them to institute their biblical theocracy.
That gives the words a somewhat different significance, no?
To: Junior
How do you get to "selfish" from "promoting group survival?"I asked why I should (morally) be concerned with the survival of the group and I was told, because without the group my chances of survival go way down. So I guess the reasoning is that if I'm selfish it hurts the group and if the groups don't survive, then the species doesn't survive and if the species dies out, then I will not survive. While that does have practical value it doesn't explain morality. What is the source of the moral rule that I ought to be unselfish? Saying that because it is better for me and mine somehow just doesn't sound like a justification of the moral rule that I should be unselfish.
Cordially,
1,223
posted on
09/15/2005 8:44:38 PM PDT
by
Diamond
(Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
To: Diamond
What is the source of the moral rule that I ought to be unselfish? Saying that because it is better for me and mine somehow just doesn't sound like a justification of the moral rule that I should be unselfish. Not a justification, but a source, as it were. This trait has been selected for for millennia.
1,224
posted on
09/16/2005 3:32:06 AM PDT
by
Junior
(Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
To: Junior
Mormon's what? Secret oops... SACRED temple ceremonies.
1,225
posted on
09/16/2005 5:43:50 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Right Wing Professor
There are nuts everywhere; of every type and financial status.
1,226
posted on
09/16/2005 5:45:25 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Right Wing Professor
There are nuts everywhere; of every type and financial status.Of course; no TRUE Scotsman is nuts!
1,227
posted on
09/16/2005 5:46:14 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Thatcherite
..and ToE is not a religion.By the same logic; neither is atheism.
1,228
posted on
09/16/2005 5:48:02 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Thatcherite
Some of your posts still induce a life-threatening-blood-pressure-raising level of rage when I read them.WOW!
What power I got!!
(No, really; which ones??)
1,229
posted on
09/16/2005 5:49:22 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Thatcherite
Now we know that the stars can't fall to earth, and the verse is read as a metaphor for angels descending to earth. Well, since this describes a FUTURE event, it's a bit early to be asserting this as angels.
What about the HAILSTONES in Revelations?
Real or not?
1,230
posted on
09/16/2005 5:51:42 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Thatcherite; balrog666
Exactly, I skim his posts. Golly, I read all of you guys'!
1,231
posted on
09/16/2005 5:54:45 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: bluepistolero
Now we are seeing the results of that dumbing down. AMEN!
1,232
posted on
09/16/2005 5:55:29 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: gobucks
Hey!
I'M the spamming idiot.
Don't try to take MY glory!!!!
1,233
posted on
09/16/2005 5:56:49 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Oztrich Boy
Considering that they generally overlook that Shem and Isaac were literally contemporaries, I doubt they have a sense of time Isaac??
I thought it was CURLEY!
1,234
posted on
09/16/2005 5:59:18 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Right Wing Professor
Since I am heartily tired of moral hucksters who claim theirs is the only and one true font of goodness, while all the time exemplifying the worst of behavior, I remain, uncordially, yours, RWP. And evidently Comic Sans MS ain't it - according to VuV
1,235
posted on
09/16/2005 6:03:20 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Diamond
What is the source of the moral rule that I ought to be unselfish? Being selfish or unselfish is a personality trait, not a moral rule.
1,236
posted on
09/16/2005 6:05:45 AM PDT
by
js1138
(Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
If it were possible that all the world became Christian, would that be a bad thing in your mind? Well.........
There goes Mardi Gras!!!!
1,237
posted on
09/16/2005 6:06:03 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: VadeRetro
Which is false?
The first one, for obviously the folks throw out Acts chapeter 15 & 19
1,238
posted on
09/16/2005 6:08:16 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: VadeRetro
Agnostic - that's means you don't KNOW for sure; right?
So, when He shows up, you WILL know for sure.
Make your choice then; Thomas.
1,239
posted on
09/16/2005 6:09:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: js1138; xzins
We have no illusions about creationists, either.But we DO have a whole LOT of opinions!!!
EvoDude
1,240
posted on
09/16/2005 6:11:44 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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