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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

[snip]

Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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To: Junior

Was he talking to himself?


1,061 posted on 09/15/2005 1:52:26 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: bluepistolero
I saw that in a movie once.

It was probably the Coen Brothers' great "Oh, Brother, Where Are Thou?" I love their movies.

"You're a young man, you've got your health. What you want with a job?"

The Dude abides.

1,062 posted on 09/15/2005 1:54:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: bluepistolero

Well, it is hard to see through these slits in my pillow case.

Slits are hard to see through. You need to make holes.

1,063 posted on 09/15/2005 1:55:58 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Junior
Romans 14

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

bluepistolero

1,064 posted on 09/15/2005 1:57:37 PM PDT by bluepistolero ("They are so black?" You mean there are degrees?)
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To: SeaLion; bluepistolero; xzins; Elsie
You are assuming all Gods are equally valid/invalid.

The question I posed held the presupposition that there is one and true Triune God of the universe who gave Himself so that men might one day join Him in Paradise. If that be the case (that such a God exists), what is wrong with having that God lead our lives, our country and the world?

1,065 posted on 09/15/2005 1:59:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: ml1954
Good idea. I'll shoot myself in the head twice. Just tell them I'm a Clinton suicide.

bluepistolero

1,066 posted on 09/15/2005 2:00:14 PM PDT by bluepistolero ("They are so black?" You mean there are degrees?)
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To: bluepistolero; Dr. Eckleburg; Right Wing Professor
When wearing your klan kostume,

Well, that one made me smile--I'm glad there is still a sense of humour.

But there is also a sense of evasion, unless I have missed a post. Bluepistolero assured us that if Dr. Eckleburg was a Christian Reconstructionist, then that was good enough for him, too. Dr Eckleburg assured us, I am pretty sure, she was not a Christian Reconstructionist, but a Presbyterian.

I'm not at all interested in playing 'What's My Denomination'; but I either didn't receive or else didn't spot an answer to my point about the relationship between someone who styles herself a Presbyterian and promotes literature by North & Co. -- the quotes RWP posted from these Christian Reconstructionists were pretty obnoxious.

So, do either of you Dr. E or bluepistolero, care to comment on the North quotes themselves?

1,067 posted on 09/15/2005 2:01:08 PM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: bluepistolero

I've always been curious about this obvious question but never asked it. How do you know the Bible is the 'Word of God'?


1,068 posted on 09/15/2005 2:01:12 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

" "God's followers" wrote the Constitution."

They just weren't followers of YOUR God.


1,069 posted on 09/15/2005 2:01:29 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; SeaLion; bluepistolero; Elsie

Nice pearls you're wearing. Toss them over so I can admire them.

I'm not sure it's worth tossing them before any others, though.


1,070 posted on 09/15/2005 2:03:48 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: SeaLion
I never heard of the guy and I don't even know what you are talking about. However, if I am to understand that you think I advocate that Christians overthrow the government, any government, and establish a theocracy, you are wrong. Christians are instructed by Christ, to live in the world, but to not be of the world. His Kingdom is not of this world, and as a citizen of that Kingdom, we are not to seek another, especially not an earthly one made by men. We are spiritual creatures, and our Kingdom is in the spiritual realm.

bluepistolero

1,071 posted on 09/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PDT by bluepistolero ("They are so black?" You mean there are degrees?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You are assuming all Gods are equally valid/invalid.

No--it appears to me that you are assuming the right to tell me which God is valid, and which is invalid.

By all means, you can tell me your opinion on this. But you are also, it appears, advocating theocratic government, which would compel me to live by your opinion of which God was valid.

That is my issue with you here

1,072 posted on 09/15/2005 2:07:49 PM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: bluepistolero
We are spiritual creatures, and our Kingdom is in the spiritual realm.

That I can, and do, respect.

1,073 posted on 09/15/2005 2:09:41 PM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: ml1954
The bible is one Word, spoken by God, to bring the creation into being. That Word, became flesh, in the person of Jesus Christ. These two revelations are spiritually revealed to the elect.

bluepistolero

1,074 posted on 09/15/2005 2:10:42 PM PDT by bluepistolero ("They are so black?" You mean there are degrees?)
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To: xzins
Nice pearls you're wearing.

Casting pearls to...smallmouth bass, was it? :-)

1,075 posted on 09/15/2005 2:10:53 PM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: SeaLion
You're missing the point.

Forget my concept of God. Stick with your own. (I'm assuming from your earlier posts you have one.)

I'm asking if you believe in God, would it be a bad thing or a good thing for EVERYONE to believe in that God?

1,076 posted on 09/15/2005 2:12:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: bluepistolero

The bible is one Word, spoken by God, to bring the creation into being. That Word, became flesh, in the person of Jesus Christ. These two revelations are spiritually revealed to the elect.

You didn't answer my question. How do you know the Bible is the word of God? Saying it is 'one Word, spoken by God' doesn't answer the question.

1,077 posted on 09/15/2005 2:13:11 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: SeaLion

Those smallmouth....mmmmmmmm.

Do freshwater clams produce pearls of any quality???


1,078 posted on 09/15/2005 2:14:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: SeaLion
One thing you have to realise is that the whole movement is an outgrowth of the Presbyterian Church. Most of them can truthfully answer that they are indeed Presbyterians.

One thing that just occurred to me, re the Discovery Institute, is that not only was it funded by Howard Ahmanson, who is also the funder of the Chalcedon Institute, the big daddy of all Reconstructionist outfits, but that Dembski himself was active in the conservative Presbyterian renaissance at Princeton Theological Seminary. Cornelius Van Til, the conservative Presbyterian theologian at Princeton, is the intellectual father of Reconstructionism.

Dembski is way too slick to publicly associate himself with Reconstruction, but I wonder if he's a closet CR?

1,079 posted on 09/15/2005 2:16:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: bluepistolero; Right Wing Professor
I never heard of the guy and I don't even know what you are talking about

The reference is to post #1002, which includes some quotes by Demar, one of the authors of tracts for which Dr. E. provided links.

I find these quotes very disturbing--indeed, alarming, if I thought such a man were ever to wield political power

1,080 posted on 09/15/2005 2:16:56 PM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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