Posted on 09/12/2005 8:59:33 AM PDT by TBP
It is thus not surprising to see former Marxists join the ranks of Islamic radicals
This is a deviation from Islam proper. Radicals see Islam as a force to lead "enslaved" nations against "ruling" ones. The Koran, however, presents Islam as a way to lead all humans to God's path.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
"The Koran, however, presents Islam as a way to lead all humans to God's path."
- LOL...this guy has obviously never read the Koran or Hadith, or real history one of the thousand pagan arab gods called Allah.
Mohammed was an evil despicable man-animal, Allah is a figment of some arabs immagination, and the Koran is a terrorist manual.
Very true!
But here's the levity in the WashTimes article...
Yet times have changed. We Muslims don't ride camels anymore. We drive cars. Similarly, we can't apply a medieval political doctrine to the 21st century.
I wonder if it dawned on the speaker to consider where those cars come from. If the world were living under Islam, we would all be riding camels.
Despite the fact that he's a Muslim, which I think we can safely assume you are not.
Naziism and Communism are very close to each other, two branches of the same tree.
Helpful bump for you
"Despite the fact that he's a Muslim, which I think we can safely assume you are not."
- What gave away? </sarc>
Neither am I, BTW, but as this article shows, there are different interpretations of the Koran and of Muslim teachings among the Muslims themselves, just as there are many interpretations of the Bible and of Christian doctrine in the Christian world.
"but as this article shows, there are different interpretations of the Koran"
- So what? I'm sure there are different interpretations of the Mein Kempf, should we give that a pass as well?
Why would the interpretation of a manual (Koran & Hadith) chronicling the life of a despicable evil tyrant and a psychopath named Mohammed be relevant?
No matter how you interpret the New Testament, you cannot find anywhere where Jesus called for the intolerance, terror, death, destruction, humiliation and domination over people who didn't believe in him (as the Koran and Hadith do).
I'd amplify Lenin's famous pamphlet title "Imperialism, the Final Stage of Capitalism" into a contemporary morphing thus: "Islam, the Final Stage of Bolshevism". Keep in mind that ALL current Islamic revolutionary cadres were outgrowths of WWII era nazi geopolitics in the Mid East region. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a raving nazi anti-semite kept under house arrest by the British throughout the war and later Egyptian President, Anwar Sedat, was part of a nazi Egyptian Army officers revetment jailed in Cairo for the duration of that war.
When we think of the underground Odessa nazi diaspora operation, we think of the "Boys From Brazil" being clandestinely relocated throughout South America, when a substantial portion of the nazi upper echelon exodus ended up tucked away in various Arab/Mideast Regimes. Their conversion upon the anti-semitism highway from nazi to marxist was pretty much effortless.
The linkup to western bolshevik factions and their parasite infestation of the left, MSM, academia, environmentalism, et al, was equally effortless. But with the collapse of the Soviet Empire, we see them in a group-tetanus white knuckled death grip clutching their ideological predispositions at the extreme and zany expense of sanity, intellectual honesty, logical consistency, moral ethics, and the ability to cognitively integrate an entirely new marx-is-dead game board.
Their current aggressive anti-Christian, anti-heterosexuality, anti-capitalism tactics are empty muscle flexing in an attempt at maintaining some sort of initiative and momentum as their world is shoveled into the dustbin of history. For all their media histrionics and apoplexia, their cadres percieve through a glass darkly the eventual total hegemony of productive, wealth distributive capitalism, and it just makes them crazier, like any cult apparat.
Watching them Jim Jones themselves into a cartoon gotterdammerung is the new entertainment.
Walter
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I don't think Islam has the tools for modern civilized life. Even its poor simulacrum of justice excludes most of humanity, including half their own.
Recorded history back to the "Prophet" belies this. Here's a short quotation from Madden's "The Real History of the Crusades" published in Crisis Magazine, April 1, 2002:
So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
That is what gave birth to the Crusades.
Muslim scholar Fareed Zakaria writes: "The historian Paul Johnson has argued that Islam is intrinsically an intolerant and violent religion. Other scholars have disagreed, pointing out that Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents and prohibits suicide. Nothing will be solved by searching for 'true Islam' or quoting the Qur'an. The Qur'an is a vast, vague book, filled with poetry and contradictions (much like the Bible). You can find in it condemnations of war and incitements to struggle, beautiful expressions of tolerance and stern pictures against unbelievers. Quotations from it usually tell us more about the person who selected the passages than about Islam. Every religion is compatible with the best and the worst of humankind. Through its long history, Christianity has supported inquisitions and anti-Semitism, but also human rights and social welfare."
Muhammad urged his followers to meet opposition with patience and persuasion. Scholars refer to these texts of the Koran as "verses of forgiveness and pardon." For example, the Koran says: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance. (16:125)." "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with what is better (41:34)."
That sounds similar to Christian teaching in many ways.
There is no question that Christians have used violence, torture, and military crusades to destroy "infidels" and "heretics."
Read what Thomas Aquinas, the most influential Catholic theologian, teaches in his Summa Theologica about the extermination of the "heretics." He wrote: "With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side, the other, on the side of the church. On their own side there is a sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports the temporal life. Wherefore, if forger of money and other evildoers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death" (Question 11, Article 3).
[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt 28:19).
Jesus said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).
Ps. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
Again: There is no question that Christians have used violence, torture, and military crusades to destroy "infidels" and "heretics."
Ps. 55:15: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into Sheol"
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Prov. 1: 12: "Let us swallow them up alive as the grave."
Ps. 55:15: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into Sheol."
I Samuel 2: 6: "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." I Kings 2: 6-9: "Do therefore according to thy wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down to the grave in peace. Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood." Job 7: 9: "As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more." Job 14: 13: "Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me."
During the Middle Ages the Catholic Church organized crusades to exterminate Muslims, Jews, and so-called "heretics." The Catholic church terrorized people in Western Europe, especially through the inquisition.
In Sura 73:10,11 Muhammad urges his followers to be patient toward those who deny the truth: "And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity). And leave me (alone to deal with) those in possession of the good things of life, who (yet) deny the truth, and bear with them for a little while."
In Sura 52:45,47,48 the prophet admonishes to leave the unbelievers alone and to wait patiently for the Lord to punish them: "So leave them alone until they encounter that day of theirs, wherein they shall (perforce) swoon (with terror) ... And verily, for those who do wrong, there is another punishment besides this... Now await in patience the command of thy Lord, for verily thou art in Our eyes."
The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
And is this not an accurate description of Judeo-Christian theology? [5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).
"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29
".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8:12
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73
"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47:4
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34
The Bible reveals that the ‘LORD’ solves conflicts time and again through exerting power and control in violent ways. Faced with the problem of evil he attempted to wash the world clean of wickedness by destroying “all living beings on earth—human beings, animals and birds.” Faced with the conflict of a promise land occupied by whole nations of people his solution was to commit genocide, commanding the Israelites to “put them all to death.” Faced with the embarassment of his own people worshipping idols, he reacted by choosing murder to avenge the transgression, commanding men to take swords and “kill your brothers and friends and neighbors.” Faced with the problem of his chosen people being oppressed by Babylon, he declared: “It’s all-out war in Babylon,” his reaction to conflict throughout the Bible is that of a heavy-handed thug with no more intelligence than the primitive men who wrote the stories. He demanded “total war against people, leaders, and the wise!” God solves conflict by demanding killing, looting and envirnonmental terrorism: “War to the death on her boasting pretenders, fools one and all! War to the death on her soldiers, cowards to a man! War to the death on her hired killers, gutless wonders! War to the death on her banks–looted! War to the death on her water supply–drained dry!’”
Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.
Matthew 10:34 "I came not to send peace but a sword"
I Samuel 2: 6: "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." I Kings 2: 6-9: "Do therefore according to thy wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down to the grave in peace. Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood." Job 7: 9: "As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more." Job 14: 13: "Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me."
What happens to a society that praises a God that:
• is pleased by a man driving a spear completely through a man and into a women’s stomach
• mandates a victim of rape must marry her rapist
• mandates a women is to be stoned to death or burned to death as punishment
• mandates chopping off a womens hand for helping defend her husband in a fight
• orders the killing of brothers, friends and neighbors
• Gives a man’s wives to another man to have sex with for all to see
• kills everything that breathed in the world save 1 family and a boat load of animals
• commands the daily killing and gutting and burning of animals for all time to com
• condones the violent, insulting, dehumanizing treatment of people through slavery
• gives us the doctrines of hell and forgiveness of sin that says that the the most caring, loving women who ever graced the earth but failed to believe in the deity of Christ will be tortured forever and ever and ever… but the mass murderer who raped and strangled ten thousand little girls his whole life and comes to “believe” in Jesus while on death row spends eternity in heaven.
"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37
Ah, the fires of eternal damnation -- familiar to any Christian, I suspect.
But unless we also bear good fruit, we may be discarded and thrown into the fire. [Matthew 7;15-7, 19].
God created mankind perfect, without sin, in God's image and likeness.
According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran
Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah
"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]
"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30
Which is a theological disagreement having nothing to do with whether Islam is a religion of peace or of violence, or both. These quotes are essentially irrelevant to the argument.
John 14:12 -- "The things that I have done, ye also shall do and greater than these shall ye do."
When Pilate askes Jesus if he is the Messiah, he says "That's what they say." Notice that he says "they" say so, not making the claim himself.
Jesus. "Everything is possible for him who believes." [Mark 9;23]
"My father if greater than I." (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Read one way at least, it reads as if Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.
Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,". This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is savior to the Jews and not the gentiles (see Romans 16:17, Revelations 14:3-4 & John 10).
In light of this, how is it that Christianity, which has a holy scripture that talks abotu violence as well as peaceful conversion, is a religion of love, but Islam, which has a holy scripture that talks about violence as well as peaceful conversion, is a religon of hatred, terror, and violence?
I guess it's all in your come-from. Whatever framework you come from as you red the material will determine what you think it means.
There is no question that Christians have used violence, torture, and military crusades to destroy "infidels" and "heretics."
Read what Thomas Aquinas, the most influential Catholic theologian, teaches in his Summa Theologica about the extermination of the "heretics." He wrote: "With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side, the other, on the side of the church. On their own side there is a sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports the temporal life. Wherefore, if forger of money and other evildoers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death" (Question 11, Article 3).
[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt 28:19).
Jesus said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).
Ps. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
Again: There is no question that Christians have used violence, torture, and military crusades to destroy "infidels" and "heretics."
Ps. 55:15: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into Sheol"
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Prov. 1: 12: "Let us swallow them up alive as the grave."
Ps. 55:15: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into Sheol."
I Samuel 2: 6: "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." I Kings 2: 6-9: "Do therefore according to thy wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down to the grave in peace. Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood." Job 7: 9: "As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more." Job 14: 13: "Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me."
During the Middle Ages the Catholic Church organized crusades to exterminate Muslims, Jews, and so-called "heretics." The Catholic church terrorized people in Western Europe, especially through the inquisition.
In Sura 73:10,11 Muhammad urges his followers to be patient toward those who deny the truth: "And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity). And leave me (alone to deal with) those in possession of the good things of life, who (yet) deny the truth, and bear with them for a little while."
In Sura 52:45,47,48 the prophet admonishes to leave the unbelievers alone and to wait patiently for the Lord to punish them: "So leave them alone until they encounter that day of theirs, wherein they shall (perforce) swoon (with terror) ... And verily, for those who do wrong, there is another punishment besides this... Now await in patience the command of thy Lord, for verily thou art in Our eyes."
The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
And is this not an accurate description of Judeo-Christian theology? [5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).
"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29
".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8:12
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73
"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47:4
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34
The Bible reveals that the ‘LORD’ solves conflicts time and again through exerting power and control in violent ways. Faced with the problem of evil he attempted to wash the world clean of wickedness by destroying “all living beings on earth—human beings, animals and birds.” Faced with the conflict of a promise land occupied by whole nations of people his solution was to commit genocide, commanding the Israelites to “put them all to death.” Faced with the embarassment of his own people worshipping idols, he reacted by choosing murder to avenge the transgression, commanding men to take swords and “kill your brothers and friends and neighbors.” Faced with the problem of his chosen people being oppressed by Babylon, he declared: “It’s all-out war in Babylon,” his reaction to conflict throughout the Bible is that of a heavy-handed thug with no more intelligence than the primitive men who wrote the stories. He demanded “total war against people, leaders, and the wise!” God solves conflict by demanding killing, looting and envirnonmental terrorism: “War to the death on her boasting pretenders, fools one and all! War to the death on her soldiers, cowards to a man! War to the death on her hired killers, gutless wonders! War to the death on her banks–looted! War to the death on her water supply–drained dry!’”
Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.
Matthew 10:34 "I came not to send peace but a sword"
I Samuel 2: 6: "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." I Kings 2: 6-9: "Do therefore according to thy wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down to the grave in peace. Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood." Job 7: 9: "As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more." Job 14: 13: "Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me."
What happens to a society that praises a God that:
• is pleased by a man driving a spear completely through a man and into a women’s stomach
• mandates a victim of rape must marry her rapist
• mandates a women is to be stoned to death or burned to death as punishment
• mandates chopping off a womens hand for helping defend her husband in a fight
• orders the killing of brothers, friends and neighbors
• Gives a man’s wives to another man to have sex with for all to see
• kills everything that breathed in the world save 1 family and a boat load of animals
• commands the daily killing and gutting and burning of animals for all time to com
• condones the violent, insulting, dehumanizing treatment of people through slavery
• gives us the doctrines of hell and forgiveness of sin that says that the the most caring, loving women who ever graced the earth but failed to believe in the deity of Christ will be tortured forever and ever and ever… but the mass murderer who raped and strangled ten thousand little girls his whole life and comes to “believe” in Jesus while on death row spends eternity in heaven.
"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37
Ah, the fires of eternal damnation -- familiar to any Christian, I suspect.
But unless we also bear good fruit, we may be discarded and thrown into the fire. [Matthew 7;15-7, 19].
God created mankind perfect, without sin, in God's image and likeness.
According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran
Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah
"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]
"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30
Which is a theological disagreement having nothing to do with whether Islam is a religion of peace or of violence, or both. These quotes are essentially irrelevant to the argument.
John 14:12 -- "The things that I have done, ye also shall do and greater than these shall ye do."
When Pilate askes Jesus if he is the Messiah, he says "That's what they say." Notice that he says "they" say so, not making the claim himself.
Jesus. "Everything is possible for him who believes." [Mark 9;23]
"My father if greater than I." (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Read one way at least, it reads as if Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.
Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,". This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is savior to the Jews and not the gentiles (see Romans 16:17, Revelations 14:3-4 & John 10).
In light of this, how is it that Christianity, which has a holy scripture that talks abotu violence as well as peaceful conversion, is a religion of love, but Islam, which has a holy scripture that talks about violence as well as peaceful conversion, is a religon of hatred, terror, and violence?
I guess it's all in your come-from. Whatever framework you come from as you red the material will determine what you think it means.
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