Posted on 09/09/2005 8:15:20 PM PDT by nvcdl
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From: "VCDL President" <philip@virginiasystems.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM! New Orleans DISARMING the Public!
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> VCDL tries to stay within the bounds of Virginia as much as possible.
> However, once in a while, we have to deal with the fact that we are
> Americans above all else. Our fellow citizens matter to us and
> sometimes events require that we cast our eyes, our anger, and our
> influence elsewhere in this nation.
>
> And so we shall.
>
> I am ex-law enforcement and have a soft spot for police, most of who
> do their jobs with great honor.
>
> However, there are some who make me ashamed. At the top of that list
> are the Chief of Police of New Orleans and the brass who work for
> him. They should all be fired for ordering their officers to disarm
> all remaining citizens in New Orleans (many of whom are in dry areas
> and do not want to leave everything they have left in the world to go
> live in a shelter somewhere). At a time when self-defense is
> critical, they want only the police to have guns.
>
> I also call for the resignations of the Mayor of New Orleans and the
> Governor of Louisiana, who either actively supported this effort or
> are allowing it to continue unchecked. I consider them both to be
> buffoons and derelict of their duties.
>
> The hypocrisy and cowardice of the police and federal officers
> involved in this are breathtaking. According to statements by the
> New Orleans police, the police are doing this for THEIR safety. What
> about the safety of the citizens they have sworn to protect? What
> kind of police put their own safety above the safety of innocent
> lives? Where are those brave men and women who charge into danger to
> protect lives, not run the other way or actively endanger people who
> are already victims?
>
> Even if you disregard the extreme danger from vicious criminals that
> are always present, there are other dangers. Dogs are starving on
> rooftops. At some point, as the water recedes, those dogs are going
> to come down, form packs, and try to survive in whatever way they
> can. Diseases, like rabies, are going to make those dogs and other
> animals very dangerous. There are alligators in the area as well.
>
> I give no slack to those police officers who are actually enforcing
> this disarmament. In my eyes they are acting no better than thugs
> themselves. No police officer or military soldier has a duty to obey
> an unlawful or unconstitutional order. And they certainly don't have
> a right to endanger citizens.
>
> This is America and if someone wants to stay in their house, then
> they have a right to be able to do so, even if that decision could be
> hazardous to their health. People jump out of perfectly good
> airplanes with a parachute on their backs. That, too, could be
> hazardous to their health. But it is their right to do so and but
> they must accept the consequences if things go wrong. That's called
> being free. Both the third-world city of New Orleans and the U.S.
> Marshals have overstepped their boundaries.
>
> WHAT CAN WE DO? Part I
>
> We can contact Senators Allen and Warner ask them to publicly condemn
> New Orleans' actions. They can also DEMAND that any and all federal
> employees immediately desist in collaborating with the New Orleans
> Police Department in disarming the public.
>
> Senator George Allen:
> 202-224-4024
> http://allen.senate.gov/index.cfm?c=email&which=Standard
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> Senator John Warner:
> 202-224-2023
> http://warner.senate.gov/contact/contactme.htm
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> Suggested message:
>
> Dear Senator,
>
> I am furious! I ask that you publicly condemn New Orleans' actions
> to disarm its citizens at a time when those citizens need to have
> protection the most.
>
> According to a Washington Post article United States Marshals are
> participating in this activity! That is outrageous. The story
> documents US Marshals pointing their rifles at a 55 year old woman
> and disarming her.
>
> This is the America. A law-abiding citizen should never be treated
> this way by any level of government, especially when that person
> fears for their safety. Even those with permits to carry concealed
> weapons, the most law-abiding group of people in this country, are
> being disarmed!
>
> I am counting upon you to see that these actions stop and that all
> federal officers, military, and federal employees cease and desist
> from civilian disarmament.
>
> Please let me know what you are going to do.
>
> Sincerely,
> [NAME]
> [ADDRESS]
>
> --
>
> WHAT CAN WE DO? Part II
>
> I challenge those of you with research skills to find out if there
> are any provisions for local or state government to disarm us in
> Virginia in the event of a similar crisis or disaster, and let me
> know so we can take action now.
>
> --
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> I have been flooded by members with links to stories on the New
> Orleans disarmament. Here is the one from the Washington Post:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7f4ft
>
> Troops Escalate Urgency of Evacuation
>
> By Timothy Dwyer and Ann Scott Tyson
> Washington Post Staff Writers
> Friday, September 9, 2005; A01
>
> NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 -- Outside Kajun's Pub, between the relatively
> dry French Quarter and the heavily flooded Ninth Ward, bar owner
> JoAnn Guidos loaded up her 1991 Ford Econoline van with clothing,
> liquor and other necessities Thursday morning. After holding out for
> 10 days, Guidos and her friends were finally leaving New Orleans and
> heading to high ground.
>
> ...
>
> But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents identifying
> themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons and ordered her
> and six friends to leave by noon Thursday.
>
> "When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up against
> the wall, it's kind of scary," said Guidos, 55.
>
> With floodwaters continuing to recede and cleanup efforts beginning
> in earnest, police and the military set out on an aggressive
> door-to-door campaign here Thursday, urging remaining residents to
> leave or be removed by force.
> ...
>
> P. Edwin Compass, the superintendent of police, said there are
> thousands of people remaining in the city but that authorities are
> determined to get everyone out. He said as little force as necessary
> would be used but that staying is not an option. Anyone with a
> weapon, even one legally registered, will have it confiscated, he
> said.
>
> "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken.
> Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns."
>
> --
>
> Here is an article where the police and MILITARY disarmed citizens
> because citizens might become 'jittery.' Sounds like the police are
> the ones who are jittery. Perhaps, they should be disarmed, too,
> using their own logic. What kind of low-life police and military
> would disarm a law-abiding citizen who is trying to protect himself
> or herself from being looted or killed?
>
> And when are people like Officer Riley going to become adults and
> finally realize that they CANNOT disarm all the criminals! And don't
> get me going on some of the photos showing New Orleans police in the
> act of looting, either.
>
> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050909/D8CGQ5DO5.html
>
> ...
>
> Police and soldiers seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations
> with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.
>
> "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the
> weapons," Riley said.
>
> On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a
> neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma
> National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those
> who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let
> go.
>
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Stupid, stupid, unconstitutional and stupid.
Thanks for sharing this.. .I am disgusted but not surprised at the 'Demrat response' in N.O. . . seems these people can only think in terms of 'above. . .and beyond' the law. More disgusted that the Demrat constituency has yet to 'get it' i.e., what it means to be a Democrat today.
I heard on news today that Mexican Army troops are in MS.
It does not set a good precendant for our govt. to disarm american citizens and invite in foreign troops. I wonder how they will keep the Mexican troops from looting - isn't Mexican military and law enforcement reknown for being crooked and in cahoots with drug lords??
Very old, very trite, but still very true.
Seems the Demrats are determined to make Katrina 'work for them'. . .whatever it takes.
'The buses will be waiting. . .'
I got the email alert from JPFO.
Chris
September 9, 2005
JPFO ALERT: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH,
DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY!
"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police
officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in
preparation for a forced evacuation of the last
holdouts..."
It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_.
But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law
enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned
firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process,
without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners
utterly defenseless and at the mercy of looters and thugs.
According to an article in the New York Times
(http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P.
Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans
will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they
possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed
to have weapons," he said.
(Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will
not be confiscating the weapons of private security
personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to
afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection).
Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such
confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major
catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly,
neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the
confiscations.
Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant
about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual
rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be
granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if
the government demands that they give up their guns, it's
only natural that they should comply. Police officers and
soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either
equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply
don't care_ about following unconstitutional orders.
We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of
Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows
ALL of its rights _and insists those rights be respected_ ,
the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get
worse.
I got the email alert from JPFO.
Chris
September 9, 2005
JPFO ALERT: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH,
DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY!
"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police
officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in
preparation for a forced evacuation of the last
holdouts..."
It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_.
But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law
enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned
firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process,
without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners
utterly defenseless and at the mercy of looters and thugs.
According to an article in the New York Times
(http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P.
Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans
will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they
possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed
to have weapons," he said.
(Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will
not be confiscating the weapons of private security
personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to
afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection).
Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such
confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major
catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly,
neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the
confiscations.
Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant
about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual
rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be
granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if
the government demands that they give up their guns, it's
only natural that they should comply. Police officers and
soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either
equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply
don't care_ about following unconstitutional orders.
We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of
Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows
ALL of its rights _and insists those rights be respected_ ,
the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get
worse.
I really believe the police are being correct in the forced evacuation of the remaining people left behind. After all, if they don't leave their homes soon, their security bars on their windows will rust shut and then they will be trapped inside.
But then again, if they had their weapons, they could shoot off the hinges....
OK... I changed my mind!
That is the day I cease to be a live "civilian", and take as large an honor guard to Hell as possible. Is it time to water the Tree?
Let me know if you need ammo. I've got several thousand rounds I could spare if I need to.
Chris
and criminals
This whole fiasco in NO is outragous. The media swarming the scene is allowing us to see the lies of the local government even if the media hasn't quite caught on that the state and city officials are dangerously incompetant boobs.
During same press conference the city offcials stated that no emergency workers had gotton sick from the water - the same water they claim is worse then the bubonic plague for any citizens who remain.
Anyone who participates in the forced evacuation of New Orleans residents from undamaged areas is potentially guilty of serious human rights violations under US and International law.
I strongly advise all law enforcement officers, public officials, and military personnel currently on duty in the hurricane damaged areas to carefully consider the ultimate legality of any orders or instructions to remove people by force and to enter, confiscate or destroy private property under the color of emergency declarations by executive authorities.
Heads are going to roll over this, and the city and state will go bankrupt trying to pay all the court judgments. With any luck some of the power-crazed swine who are enjoying themselves breaking into undamaged houses, terrorizing old ladies, and shooting pets will, themselves, face the bar of justice.
Others will have to vet this particular link, I dont have the capability.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_fema.html
Many of the articles are archived now from the original links, but still available on prisonplanet. The new Homeland Security Department and FEMA appears to be or will be the place to start many of the new changes in the Posse Comitatus Act.
What I've found troubling watching programs like COPS and other law enforcement shows, the regular LEOs are morphing more and more into military like garb.
Plenty of ammo, thanks. It's trigger fingers that might run short.
I know what you mean. My wife keeps a good 4 inch group at 100 yards with the AR15, so I've got some good backup.
Chris
Hard to believe this is happening in America.
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