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Holdouts to Be Removed From New Orleans
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Posted on 09/09/2005 6:06:57 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

NEW ORLEANS

Authorities said their sweep of this deluged city for the last voluntary evacuees was nearly complete, with officers ready to carry out the mayor's order to forcibly remove the thousands who remain in their homes.

"The ones who wanted to leave, I would say most of them are out," said Detective Sgt. James Imbrogglio.

Between 5,000 and 10,000 residents are believed left in the city, where toxic floodwaters have started to slowly recede but the task of collecting rotting corpses and clearing debris will likely take months.

Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday. He said some of the holdouts did not want to leave unless they could take their pets.

"It's getting to the point where they're delirious," Rule said. "A couple of them don't know who they were. They think the water will go down in a few days."

Police Chief Eddie Compass said officers would use the "minimum amount of force" necessary to persuade those who remain to evacuate. Although no one was forcibly removed Thursday, some residents said they left under extreme pressure.

"They were all insisting that I had to leave my home," said Shelia Dalferes, who said she had 15 minutes to pack before she and her husband were evacuated.

"The implication was there with their plastic handcuffs on their belt. Who wants to go out like that?"

As searches for the living continued, the grim task of retrieving corpses intensified under the broiling sun. Officials raised the death toll in Louisiana to 118 Thursday, though New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has said up to 10,000 could be dead in that city alone. State officials have ordered 25,000 body bags.

Authorities are now faced with the challenge of how to identify bodies that may be bloated and decayed beyond recognition. At two collection sites, federal mortuary teams were collecting information that may help identify the bodies, such as where they were found. Personal effects were also being logged.

At the temporary morgue set up in nearby St. Gabriel, where 67 bodies had been collected by Thursday, the remains were being photographed and forensic workers hope to use dental X-rays, fingerprints and DNA to identify them.

Dr. Bryan Patucci, coroner of St. Bernard Parish, said it may be impossible to identify all the victims until authorities compile a final list of missing people.

Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.

"It's got a huge focus of our attention right now," said John Rickey of the Army Corps of Engineers. "Those remains are people's loved ones."

Some 400,000 homes in the city were also still without power, with no immediate prospect of getting it back. And fires continued to be a problem. At least 11 blazes burned across the city Thursday, including at historically black Dillard University where three buildings were destroyed.

Also Thursday, Congress rushed through an additional $51.8 billion for relief and recovery efforts and President Bush pledged to make it "easy and simple as possible" for uprooted storm victims to collect food stamps and other government benefits.

In an attempt to stem the criticism of the slow federal response to the disaster, Vice President Dick Cheney also toured parts of the ravaged Gulf Coast, claiming significant progress but acknowledging immense obstacles remained to a full recovery.

Meanwhile, Democrats threatened to boycott the naming of a panel that Republican leaders are proposing to investigate the administration's readiness and response to the storm. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said it was like a baseball pitcher calling "his own balls and strikes."

Democrats have urged appointment of an independent panel like the Sept. 11 commission.

Confusion continued to be a problem in many areas:

_ Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that radio equipment and portable generators she requested from the federal government a week ago had yet to arrive. Federal officials said they were tracking down the status of the items.

_ In Houston, hundreds of storm victims waited for hours to pick up debit cards for cash that had been promised by relief agencies. By noon Thursday, so many people had jammed the entrance to the sign-up area that some were overcome by the heat and police were summoned.

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To: Nov3
About 20 years ago, I lived in a rural area of Kentucky. We had a train derail and a chemical fire started which burned for a few days. With very little resources and almost no planning, a county of 35,000 people evacuated in approximately 7 hours. That includes the hospitals and rest homes. Of course, we had a nasty, white fog hanging around our ankles that burned our skin, but it proves a point. Nobody liked our fire chief, yet he was able to mobilize all of our local school buses to evacuate our hospitals and rest homes. Most of us used a primitive method of communication called Citizen Band radios, (kind of like smoke signals), and we all left. Nobody stayed behind. The white fog burned our skin, so we all stayed at motels out of town for about 3 or 4 days. When the train car burned out, we came home. Of course, the authorities said the chemical was not deadly, but tell that to the dead cows, horses and birds that didn't make it on the buses.

I'm rambling, but my point is simple. They could have evacuated those people if they wanted to. They didn't want to. This is deliberate. I've said that all along.

FReegards,
DocRock
301 posted on 09/09/2005 9:33:15 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: DocRock
You know I just had a flashback to the 2000 election where the dead had the decency to vote in ALPHABETICAL order in Milwaukee. MIGHTY CONSIDERATE!
302 posted on 09/09/2005 9:33:16 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3
*snicker* Good One!
303 posted on 09/09/2005 9:35:34 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: DocRock
They could have evacuated those people if they wanted to. They didn't want to.

You can't evacuate a city of 1.4 million when .4 million don't want to be evacuated. The people in this article weren't going and I don't blame them.

304 posted on 09/09/2005 9:35:43 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: sandbar
Are these the areas they are forcibly evacuating? I'm reading that the places they are evacuating are the places without city services.

You might want to run that by Mr. O'Dwyer. See video linked in #94. Water service was turned on 2 days ago. They want him out anyway.

305 posted on 09/09/2005 9:35:46 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Nov3
Nagin moved his family to Dallas and he is here schmoozing with Dallas' woman, DEMOCRAT mayor mocking Bush' FEMA, as in "We don't know where Fema is, so we're acting on our own..."

Nagin should be prosecuted, but instead he is campaigning among the nearly killed at his own purposeful inaction. IMHO, he among others face civil rights litigation for decades if not revenge for the rest of his life.

I hope the N.O. att'ys at home are filing at the federal courthouse. This is a Contitutional issue, so the blackrobes can rule that our ratified Constitution is a mere living guideline? Concord Bridge over troubled waters.

308 posted on 09/09/2005 9:57:57 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: _Jim

Congradulation!

You signed up at FR on my 38th Birthday.


309 posted on 09/09/2005 10:01:55 PM PDT by oceanperch (Central Oregon Coast Rocks! Pride of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: Happy2BMe

"Have you ever seen so much confusion in all your life?"


LOL!

No. ;o)


310 posted on 09/09/2005 10:05:08 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: Happy2BMe

Ha!

I like those folks. ;o)


311 posted on 09/09/2005 10:21:00 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"This is a Contitutional issue," [snip]

It sure is, and I hope FReepers are up to the challenge. Obviously, the MSM is not.

FReegards,
DocRock
312 posted on 09/09/2005 10:47:23 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: MizSterious
A lot of the people who say they want government out of their lives are sure wishing a lot of it on other people's lives. Go figure. This all has me very upset.

There has always been a sizable contingent on FR that cheers on the police state. More are outing themselves than normal though.

313 posted on 09/09/2005 10:47:36 PM PDT by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Starting firefights with those who remain is only an option for those who wish to make an object lesson out of this event. "We know what's best for you, and if you remmber NO, then you know what we're prepared to do."

Yup. Exactly. Something most people don't understand about things is that the only difference between us and the government, is they are ready, willing and able to kill you for any reason that suits the government's fancy. As long as they can rationalize it as "just following orders", the troops will do whatever they are told to do. We are supposed to see this and recognise the force behind it for what it is.

314 posted on 09/09/2005 10:51:45 PM PDT by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: zeugma

There was a doctor on FoxNews earlier, Gretta's show. He said there is absolutely no medical reason for forcing people from their homes, and it's a complete waste of manpower to do so. It may have been Cyral Wecht, but I'm not certain.


315 posted on 09/09/2005 11:03:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: _Jim

Seems there are at least several towns doing just fine just outside of New Orleans that also skirt Lake Ponchartrain.

News articles:

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html

Locn:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=&city=laplace&state=la&zipcode=

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=&city=mandeville&state=la&zipcode=

Haven't run across anything saying they're worried about the mosquitos yet.

Sorry, I'm lazy tonight.


316 posted on 09/09/2005 11:05:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: DoughtyOne
I have to side with the folks who are more concerned about the Constitutional issues than the threat of disease or the trouble that citizens staying behind might cause the government.

The local government in New Orleans and the state Government in LA has not exactly displayed the sort of on the ball actions that would make me believe that they are not screwing up the evictions as a matter of law. In fact, I think this is at least as troubling as the incompetence displayed in preparing and dealing with effects of Katrina.

Would it be so hard to get a lawful court order, and politely display it to the property owners? I know that I would want somebody to show me some paperwork before they evicted me from my home or confiscated my firearms. I'd at least want a receipt for my property! We even gave the Iraqi's as much when we seized property.

I'm a supporter of LEOs, but I think now is a bad time to be using a "heavy badge" type of attitude towards citizens who might reasonably believe that rights are being ignored when they have done nothing criminal. If the cops have the legal authority to force people out, let them do it. If they don't, the idea that acting like heavy-handed thugs is excusable because it might intimidate and frighten folks in to leaving makes them, well, heavy-handed thugs.

If a mandatory evacuation and the confiscation of arms has clear legal standing, for God's sake let somebody in charge grow some backbone and announce the policy and the legal reasoning behind it in a clear and public manner, not just for the citizens directly involved to see and hear, but for the rest of us to see and hear!

I find it ironic that Blanco, who seems bound and determined not to surrender control of the LANG to the feds, seemingly has no problem with asking the people under her governance to surrender the firearms that have been the only reliable line of defense against havoc that stemmed at least in part from her actions or lack thereof.

Troubling times, indeed.
317 posted on 09/10/2005 12:14:43 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: M1911A1

You know, the other day I actually advocated people leave their homes before such events, even if it meant by force. Well, I was wrong. After watching the looters and worse, I've had to change my mind.

My thoughts run along the same lines as yours. Perhaps what drove that home more than anything was watching them man-handle that old lady. What a farce that was.

Now Michael Badden the Pathologist has stated that it's unnecessary to evacuate everyone and is in fact a waste of manpower.

LEOs should avoid manditory evacuations like the plague.


318 posted on 09/10/2005 12:54:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said it was like a baseball pitcher calling "his own balls and strikes."

Hey Harry...tough luck.

319 posted on 09/10/2005 1:30:55 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Nov3
I like the Superdoom part but I think he may have been onto something with the fact that you would be killing the democrat base!

If the people who are now staying are allowed to remain, how much of a chance will the Democrats have in future LA elections?

320 posted on 09/10/2005 1:41:36 AM PDT by supercat (Don't fix blame--FIX THE PROBLEM.)
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