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The Cold Equations Of Spaceflight
Space Daily.com ^ | 9/9/05 | Jeffrey F. Bell

Posted on 09/09/2005 5:26:35 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer

In the past month, we have been blessed with numerous leaks from NASA of various study documents relating to the new boosters that will be needed to carry out the new manned moon program. I've been monitoring the large volume of Web chatter about these plans, and have noticed a disturbing theme therein. Many Space Cadets are expressing dissatisfaction with these leaked NASA plans. They say that the Shuttle-derived boosters are too primitive, too expensive to develop, too expensive to operate, and not inspiring enough. They can't understand why we will be returning to the Moon with rockets and space capsules that look like minor variations of those used in the Apollo program 40 years ago.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: exploration; nasa; rockets; shuttle; space
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The best explanation of why the DC-X, NASP, and VentureStar died and why we are going back to the future.
1 posted on 09/09/2005 5:26:35 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer

Has anyone figured out how they are going to get through the Van Allen Radiation belt alive?


2 posted on 09/09/2005 5:30:08 AM PDT by OldMagazine
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To: nuke rocketeer

Let private enterprise do it. They're already doing brilliantly in near space.


3 posted on 09/09/2005 5:31:50 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: nuke rocketeer

We can't even keep the insulating foam from coming off of the shuttle's external fuel tank. Space technology will advance ONLY when it become profitable and private industry starts paying more of the bills.


4 posted on 09/09/2005 5:33:14 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: nuke rocketeer

bttt


5 posted on 09/09/2005 5:33:40 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: nuke rocketeer

Can't find enough dilithium crystals?...........or melange......


6 posted on 09/09/2005 5:41:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps.....An army of WON!...........)
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To: nuke rocketeer

So the problem seems to be that of being able to carry enough fuel. Which has to be of the conventional kind.

I can't imagine nuclear power driving a space ship and especially a manned one. The mass of fat-nucleus atoms needed to shield it would render it literally impossible.


7 posted on 09/09/2005 5:45:26 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: nuke rocketeer

You mean I'm stuck here???


8 posted on 09/09/2005 5:46:15 AM PDT by HarleyD (I live in my own little world because I enjoy the company.)
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To: nuke rocketeer
The best explanation of why the DC-X, NASP, and VentureStar died and why we are going back to the future.

I fully agree, but try telling some other Freepers that Burt Rutan does not have the ability to reach orbit, and given his budget never will, and you will need asbestos underwear.

9 posted on 09/09/2005 5:50:55 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: nuke rocketeer
The approach that seems to make the most sense to me is using a progressive rail gun built into an equatorial mountain slope, to shoot a vehicle into space. Thus allowing a theoretical 0% usage of on board fuel to attain orbit.
Entering the atmosphere already above 10,000 (half of the mass of the atmosphere) would decrease structural loading. A high energy laser could also super heat the flight path just before to lesson resistance (like lightning splitting the air). Additionally, a sabot shell could be used.
The progressive capability of a very long rail gun, could achieve required speeds without exceeding survivable G loads.
Reentry vehicles could then be made much more robust.
10 posted on 09/09/2005 5:53:00 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: The Red Zone

An Orion could, but the Atmospheric test ban Treaty puts a legal bar to this vehicle, and the fact that it puts all kids of fallout in the atmosphere puts an ethical and environmental bar in front of it.


11 posted on 09/09/2005 5:58:14 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: OldMagazine

The Apollo astronauts got through it alive. The key for that is to go through it quickly.


12 posted on 09/09/2005 5:59:10 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: HarleyD
You mean I'm stuck here???

Predestination is an ugly thing, Harley.... ;-)

13 posted on 09/09/2005 6:00:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: nuke rocketeer
Like Gen Honore said, if it were easy, we would have already done it. We're not stuck on stupid.
14 posted on 09/09/2005 6:01:10 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: RoadTest
Let private enterprise do it. They're already doing brilliantly in near space.

Is private enterprise somehow immune to the Cold Equations of Space? They're not.

And they're also not immune to the Cold Equations of Return on Investment. Aside from the fabulously profitable comsat market, private enterprise hasn't got much incentive to go into space right now.

15 posted on 09/09/2005 6:03:05 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: beef

Yep. Anything we do in space is going to be hard AND expensive. TANSTAAFL. I would like to see us substitute a modernized Dyna-Soar for the modernized Apollo in the new launch vehicle.


16 posted on 09/09/2005 6:05:20 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer
Ah... dreams dashed on the hard rocks of reality.

Oh well, back to Traveller.

17 posted on 09/09/2005 6:06:57 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: nuke rocketeer

Basically an atom bomb with wings??


18 posted on 09/09/2005 6:08:53 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: r9etb

Would there be some way to get around this by keeping some of the propulsion system earthbound? Like a humongous slingshot or catapult?


19 posted on 09/09/2005 6:11:04 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

Yes. See my post #10.


20 posted on 09/09/2005 6:19:21 AM PDT by SampleMan
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