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Navy pilots' unauthorized rescues
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Posted on 09/07/2005 4:18:06 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry
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Here's your medal, now drop and give me fifty!
(LOL!)
To: Leapfrog
This incident came up earlier on FR.
My thoughts were they will get a vigorous a$$ chewing, then a pat on the back.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:21:00 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: Leapfrog
Much better. I think someone up the chain of command with a cooler head took a look at this and said "shut it down now."
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:21:57 PM PDT
by
Enterprise
(When Rats govern they screw up and people die. Then, the Rats want to punch the President.)
To: 76834
Whoops! I somehow missed it on the search.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:22:09 PM PDT
by
Michael Goldsberry
(an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
To: Leapfrog
Nichols said Udkow was in no way being punished by being put in charge of a temporary kennel in Pensacola for pets of military personnel who had been evacuated from hurricane-stricken areas.
"It's a collateral duty," Nichols said. "These guys don't just fly. They do other stuff." What an absolute bunch of Bravo Sierra. A pilot is assigned to watch a dog kennel when there are ongoing operations and we are expected to believe he is not being punished? The BS Meter just pegged against the far wall on that!
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:22:44 PM PDT
by
Jeff Head
(www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
To: Leapfrog
Here's your medal, now drop and give me fifty!
Logistics -- it is what moves an army.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:23:00 PM PDT
by
kingu
(Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
To: Leapfrog
The publicity will help them. And hurt both the Navy and its mission.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:23:18 PM PDT
by
SteveMcKing
("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
To: Leapfrog
Must be nice to be able to go out joy riding in a couple million dollar aircraft without permission and not get reprimanded.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:24:14 PM PDT
by
Echo Talon
(http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
To: Leapfrog
In an officer, I think I prefer initiative, bravery, and 'conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty' to someone who just simply follows his orders.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:24:33 PM PDT
by
The KG9 Kid
(Semper Fi!)
To: Leapfrog
I know, I know it all turned out great.
But in the military a commander is supposed to know what his troops are doing and where they are. Operations officers are planning future operations and everything has to flow right. Flight crews need rest, birds need maintenance and all that has to be planned for also.
The big green/blue machine needs all the little cogs and wheels to keep running smoothly.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:27:26 PM PDT
by
PeteB570
To: SteveMcKing
"The publicity will help them." Who's "them", and how so?
"And hurt both the Navy and its mission."
How so?
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:27:36 PM PDT
by
Michael Goldsberry
(an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
To: Echo Talon
The people on those rooftops d*mn well paid taxes so the military could buy the aircraft. They did so in order to enable the military to protect their lives and liberties. It would be pretty sad then if a pilot capable to doing so was prevented from using these aircraft to save American taxpayers' lives.
To: The KG9 Kid
Exactly - it is what makes our military *unique* on this planet - this is the only one that accentuates individuality, thinking, flexibility and problem solving instead of only order following.
To: American Soldier
Well now.... were are all the people on posse comitatus? I wanted the military at the border and everone was saying "you can't do it posse comitatus!" Well...? Guess it's ok now huh?
I wanted the Border Partol to be funded as another branch of the military so that they get A LOT more money to do the job.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:34:34 PM PDT
by
Echo Talon
(http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
To: SteveMcKing
The publicity will help them. And hurt both the Navy and its mission.
Isnt it part of the mission and the training to be able to make independent decisions and act on them, depending on the circumstances.
If I were the pilots, and the Navy came down too hard would simply tell the Navy to shove it where the sun dont shine.
Go to work for some TV or radio station flying traffic choppers and making a LOT more money.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:35:45 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: Leapfrog
"Them" is the crew, and public opinion has a way of affecting decisions about them.
I think this may encourage heroics by individuals who think they can judge priorities that they are in no position to evaluate.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:37:00 PM PDT
by
SteveMcKing
("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
To: The KG9 Kid
The fact that these two gentlemen aren't on the receiving end of Courts Martial or Article 15 proceeding shows that they got off lightly. Most servicemembers guilty of dereliction of duty, which this clearly was even though they were helping people, would be in the kennel instead of watching one. It is usually easier to ask for forgiveness than permission (that is one of my mottos), but these LT's may have jeopardized other lives by NOT following orders given to them by their commanders, who undoubtedly have more information of their missions and objectives.
To: Leapfrog
You do what you gotta do to live with yourself.
To: 76834
In Top Gun, Maverick totally got chewed out for being at bad altitude. He thought he might have caused his buddy's death, in fact. (He didn't, it turned out, but we didn't know that right away.)
You gotta stick to orders. Sure- push the envelope, but no loose cannons!
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:41:11 PM PDT
by
SteveMcKing
("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
To: SteveMcKing
"in no position to evaluate." Nuremberg disagrees with you.
This is a happy story. Those men did good, orders or no... and they're catching slack over it, as they should.
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posted on
09/07/2005 4:42:45 PM PDT
by
Michael Goldsberry
(an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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